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garbage all the way down ([personal profile] trashmod) wrote in [community profile] hydratrashmeme2014-11-15 10:27 am

Chatter post

For all your discussion needs.

Ground rules:
- Try to keep it loosely trash party related, or at least Cap fandom related.
- Disagreement is fine, nastiness is not.
- Being offended is not carte blanche for nastiness.
- Trashmeme ground rules apply. Read at your own risk, no romanticizing your noncon garbage, no wank about the moral acceptability of noncon kink.
- Body shots, sniper shots, and tetanus shots are all available at the open bar. Party like it's 2014, kids.

Trash-Writing Tips?

(Anonymous) 2015-07-13 04:15 am (UTC)(link)
Okay so I've stalked the meme for awhile now and I've wanted to reply to a few different prompts, but I'm always a bit edgy about making sure I'm writing decently? Especially since I'm a very literal-minded (and dialogue-driven) writer who usually describes things as simplistically as possible, which doesn't always work so well when you're aiming for visceral depictions of torture.

Any tips on describing the trashy glory beyond just "a thing happened and it hurt really bad"?

Re: Trash-Writing Tips?

(Anonymous) 2015-07-14 01:27 pm (UTC)(link)
None of that's a problem imo

Just do your thing. There's plenty of variations in trash when it comes to detail

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Any Ace Trash Peeps?

(Anonymous) 2015-07-13 04:27 am (UTC)(link)
I'm asexual but HTP is up my alley due to my weird whump obsession/fascinating thing that I have no idea the origin of.

Just curious if I was the only one who's in the trash heap for reasons besides the obvious kink aspect?

(or like... for nonsexual kink reasons, as I think of it)

Re: Any Ace Trash Peeps?

(Anonymous) 2015-07-13 04:29 am (UTC)(link)
I'm ace but I like porn in a sexy way, so... half a data point? :)

I do have a not-especially-sexual fascination with helplessness and whump too though.

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(Anonymous) 2015-07-19 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't come here all the time and I've only filled a couple prompts, but I'm grateful for the openness and general good spirits that I find whenever I show up here. You guys are the best.

your creepy is worse than my creepy

(Anonymous) 2015-07-23 01:35 am (UTC)(link)
A tumblr blog that is clearly being run by someone into "Hannibal", whose url indicates they might like Hannigram (Hannibal/Will Graham) makes a post stating their opinion that the HTP should be "eradicated from the earth."

Look, it' okay to like one and not like the other. I'm squeamish about blood and guts, so even though I enjoy murder mysteries (no, I LOVE them) and in particular stuff about serial killers, I can't watch that show. I just can't. But I'm fine with sexual non con. Well, you know what I mean. Not "fine" but... Someone else might feel differently, that's fine too.

But to love one, and then act hateful towards people who like the other? No. No, you don't get to do that. Not when both the show, and this corner of the Marvel fandom, basically fill the same psychological needs and run along the same lines. Many of us HTP types get the same thing out of Trash Fic that people get out of horror movies. As far as Hannibal vs HTP goes- a confused man is repeatedly gas lighted by the suave, debonair, friendly seeming villain. His friends didn't catch on at first because the bad guy was someone who coded as a person to be trusted. The bad guy tried to make Our Hero take the fall for his plan to murder a lot of people. There's a weird sexual vibe going on...which a ton of fans have taken literally and run with... it's okay when they do it but not when we do?

Re: your creepy is worse than my creepy

(Anonymous) 2015-07-23 08:43 am (UTC)(link)
the irony is that Hannibal breaking Will's identity in an attempt to seduce him into murder is canon, and taking that and making it sexual is popular in the fandom, and that's prime material for an HTP (Hannibal Trash Party)

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Questions for fillers

(Anonymous) 2015-07-24 01:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Or fillers with permanently abandoned WIPs, at least.

Which prompt did you start out writing, and what was the ending you had planned? There are some unfinished fics here with interesting plots, and I'd love to know.

Re: Questions for fillers

(Anonymous) 2015-07-25 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
Seconded so hard!

(Anonymous) 2015-07-26 05:59 am (UTC)(link)
I'm a longtime lurker and occasional contributor but I've never deanoned on anything I've contributed, either on this meme or any other kink meme. I'm apprehensive about posting my porn because I'm kind of chicken. Lately I've been thinking of getting a second AO3 to deanon though because every time I look at my unedited fills the mistakes make me cringe so much. Is this kind of subterfuge too duplicitous or are there any of y'all who separate your trash from the rest of your fic?

(Anonymous) 2015-07-27 02:58 am (UTC)(link)
IDK if this is an appealing solution, but if you post your fills to your main AO3 account and put them in the hydratrashmemeanon (http://archiveofourown.org/collections/hydratrashmemeanon) collection, they stay anonymous on AO3, don't show up in your works list, etc, but you have full control over them and can edit at will.

(Anonymous) 2015-07-29 09:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Is anyone else getting really intense déjà-vu from the wank about whether or not Hydra are Nazis? because as an antifa IRL, I'm so sick of having that discussion about every fascist group in existence, and I want to vomit on it.

(Anonymous) 2015-07-31 03:04 am (UTC)(link)
It frustrates me, because it doesn't actually matter if they are. It would only matter if we wrote HTP fic because we were literally siding with Hydra. Or thought they were misunderstood woobies and/or didn't understand how bad the Nazis were.

Which we're not. HTP fic writes bad guys doing the things bad guys exist to do, which is to be foils for the hero. That requires the bad guys to hurt the hero or the hero's loved ones. It is okay for the villain to be a Nazi because being a Nazi is BAD. And it's okay to write villains because stories need them. Fandom needs to get over the idea that acknowledging a character exists and using them for their intended purpose means you condone their actions.

It's an equally valid point that not everyone who worked for Hydra was or is, a Nazi, because there are other ways to be a terrible person. It's not enough to not be a Nazi, Hydra's evil is more adaptable than that.

But when anti HTPers bring in the Nazi question, what they're really trying to do is drag an argument they can't win (the idea that there's an objective standard for how to recover from trauma, or which kinks are/are not okay to write) to a field they think they *can* win on. Which is racism and how you're a racist for being intrigued by well written villains with interesting motivations played by hot actors.

You're supposed to feel guilty and back down when they connect the debate to a politically and emotionally sensitive topic that they're accusing you of being on the wrong side of. If you get angry and start trying to defend yourself from the accusation of having a Nazi fetish, you're letting them reframe the argument.





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the real problem with the htp

(Anonymous) 2015-08-11 04:12 pm (UTC)(link)
is that when this fandom dies, as all fandoms do, I will have been so spoiled that no other fandom could ever have enough rapefic to satisfy me. Like Bucky's anus, I have been ruined.

Re: the real problem with the htp

(Anonymous) 2015-08-11 04:16 pm (UTC)(link)
I came from TF2chan, and it was 99% untagged unapologetic noncon. So those fandoms do exist, they're just few and far between (and NOT found on tumblr).

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(Anonymous) 2015-08-17 02:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Is "feral, needy, and pathetic" a kink? with a name? because the HTP has left me with a Thing and I can't find more of it

(Anonymous) 2015-08-28 12:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Nonnie whose discussion threads got deleted: if mod deletes them it only leaves praises to mod kind of comments that will make look like everybody are happy with trash mod in the end, it's just math.

For discussions or venting your frustration I suggest you fail fandom anon.

plausibility

(Anonymous) 2015-09-09 06:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Let's talk plausibility of trash. I've seen opinions in fandom vary from "they would never have raped Bucky for the same reason you don't fuck a bear" to gang bangs all day, every day, forever. I personally think no contact would have been allowed if it damaged his body or his programming beyond optimal functionality, but at the same time, rape was almost inevitable for someone in his situation. They'll never go there in the movies, but I think I'll always headcanon that at some point in Bucky's captivity, someone got the opportunity to go there with him, and took it. So in your opinion, trash meme, what's plausible?

Also Steve's differing expectations and reactions are very interesting to me. In some fics he guesses that Bucky was raped; in some fics he doesn't know but worries about it; in others he's totally blindsided, either because he was in denial about the possibility or it never even occurred to him. If we're headcanoning Steve as someone who has never been touched by sexual violence, then I can see it not occurring to him just because, frankly, I think sexual violence overtones (especially that are directed at men) often pass over the heads of men who have never been victims. On the other hand, if Steve looked into what he might expect when he found Bucky, rape would have to come up. And once alert to the possibility, I think Steve would take it very seriously.

Re: plausibility

(Anonymous) 2015-09-10 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
I can't not see Bucky as vulnerable to sexual abuse--i think plainflavouredenglish or someone on tumblr had a meta about how bucky is portrayed the way women often are in movies, half naked and surrounded by men in the vault scene, and for me that whole scene and Bucky's redeemability as not a villain revolves around how very vulnerable he is. So it's almost implausible to me that someone, in seventy years, didn't take advantage of that. I love me some trash parties, but almost as the baroque hyperbolic conclusion of what seems like a situation that would lend itself to more, uh, "normal?" types of sexual abuse of vulnerable people. Abusers and predators look for vulnerable people, and Hydra seems like they would attract the kind if people who like control over others, so I'd be almost surprised if someone hadn't tried it. But I am also here in the dumpster for a reason.

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trashspiration

(Anonymous) 2015-09-22 01:26 am (UTC)(link)
One of the things I love most about the dumpster is that it's a nice stew where all kinds of trash simmers together and inspires new trash. So: what trash fic or art would you like to see inspire more trash? Not talking sequals or expansions, but like, I reread Hunter Class just for the Tired Of This Shit Rumlow and terrible aftercare, and it's made me want more Strike aftercare where Bucky's pathetically grateful but still skittsh. So what's your trashspirations, trash friends?

Re: trashspiration

(Anonymous) 2015-09-23 06:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Certain trash fics have so impressed me with their takes on characterization that they've become inextricable aspects of my own headcanons, and I'm always eager to see more along those lines. Situation Normal for pioneering angry recovery Bucky; Hallowed Ground for its depiction of Bucky's trauma having carved a chasm between him and his feelings of ownership over his body; Blood from a Stone is my gold standard Steve by which I judge all others whether I'm reading trash or not; Tempered Not Tamed for internalized victim-blaming and a broken-but-human Winter Soldier (I'm not a fan of childlike or robotic WS); um, on a kink front, I had never considered the appeal of revictimization until it appeared in Reunion Tour, and now it's my faaaave; same goes for Smash All Your Mirrors as my favorite depiction of Bucky dealing with a broken dick; pretty much everything by at-the-temple-gates gets incorporated into my Bucky headcanons somehow, but particularly the gunfucking one whose name I can't remember for its portrayal of the carrots the Winter Soldier was offered in his carrot-and-stick treatment (he got to relax in peace in his cell with a blanket and Hydra bureaucracy talked about this like it wasn't a horror); and finally, countless iterations of Rumlow: sadist Rumlow; opportunity rapist Rumlow; fragile masculinity Rumlow; dick but not a rapist and kind of gruffly likable Rumlow; I love and accept them all. I think my platonic ideal trash would somehow combine all of these elements.

At this point trash has informed my character interpretations much more than respectable fandom, and maybe as much as canon itself.

TRASHMOD - Can I make a post about a new fill for an old prompt in the new prompt post?

(Anonymous) 2015-10-03 08:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Hello, Trashmod!

I recently filled a prompt posted in December 2014 (it's buried in the 2nd HTP prompt post). I was wondering if it was kosher for me to make a post in the current thread about the fill and link potential readers back to it.

Cheers!

Re: TRASHMOD - Can I make a post about a new fill for an old prompt in the new prompt post?

(Anonymous) 2015-10-04 08:08 am (UTC)(link)
Oh shoot, Trashmod, I posted in the wrong forum for this. Please delete when you have the chance. My apologies.

Trash RPers wanted!

(Anonymous) 2015-10-21 11:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I need to RP trash. Badly. I'm not sure if last year's offer three pages back is valid still. There can never be enough trash RP anyway. *grabby claws*

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(Anonymous) 2015-10-27 07:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Gimme gimme RP trash. Contact?

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So I guess Hydra trash is canon now??

(Anonymous) 2015-10-23 10:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I know this meme is cap focused but I just wanted to say that I'm kind of amazed that 03x03 of Agents of SHIELD seems to have confirmed that hydra gang rapes are like an actual THING in canon?? (or at least a thing that nearly happened in canon and probably happened before to other people). Like idk just an observation but I needed to share this with the rest of the dumpster idk how to feel about this ok bye

Re: So I guess Hydra trash is canon now??

(Anonymous) 2015-10-24 03:41 am (UTC)(link)
I don't watch aos, can you provide details??

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why doesn't anybody use the fill post?

(Anonymous) 2015-10-26 04:00 am (UTC)(link)
can we talk about the fact that nobody is linking to their fills on the fill post? I mean, i kind of get not linking it if you wrote a drabble, because people will see the prompt was filled and then they might be disappointed if they only find a paragraph (though if you say it's a minifill or drabble, that's not a problem).

what i don't get is why there are these epic fills that aren't posted on the fill list. it's a pain to have to go through the whole meme to find fills, even on flat view because I still have to search for where the fill started. i get that this isn't a standard meme, and the rules are very loose, but it's a real pain in the ass to wade through the dumpster to find an actual fic.

Unfinished WIPS

(Anonymous) 2015-10-28 01:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Are there any unfinished fills that people would particularly like to see completed? Either by the OP or another party?

Updates on the Pinboard archive?

(Anonymous) 2015-11-02 02:43 am (UTC)(link)
Hello,

Does anyone know what's happening with the pinboard archive? It hasn't been updated in a long while, and it's a fairly time-consuming exercise for participants to search through meme for prompts they like.

"HTP" communities in other fandoms

(Anonymous) 2015-11-04 07:02 pm (UTC)(link)
While I've seen noncon fanfic all my fandom career in every fandom I've been, I've never seen a separate place for it. Just out of curiosity: are there others like us out there in other fandoms you've encountered?

Re: "HTP" communities in other fandoms

(Anonymous) 2015-11-07 07:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm pretty sure the SPN fandom has a kink meme with theme rounds, and one of them was non-con. It's not the same as a non-con meme, but it's the closest I've come across.

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help find: fic with Pierce measuring Bucky's breasts

(Anonymous) 2015-11-05 08:48 am (UTC)(link)
Can someone please help me find it?

It was delicious. There was a tailor's tape measure, TWS's discomfort, and his sensitive nipples, and Pierce's cold comments.

I can't find it on the archive and i've rolled through more pages of the dumpster than I should....

Re: help find: fic with Pierce measuring Bucky's breasts

(Anonymous) 2015-11-05 09:49 am (UTC)(link)
http://hydratrashmeme.dreamwidth.org/587.html?thread=815179#cmt815179

Question about German

(Anonymous) 2015-12-05 03:28 am (UTC)(link)
Is German one of those languages where you refer to body parts with definite articles rather than personal pronouns? Like, in French, I would say "le main", the hand, instead of "my hand" if it was clear whose hand was meant.

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Hm, I don't know if it's the same as in French, but if it was really clear whose hand you referred to, you could use the article or the pronoun interchangeably. Do you have a specific sentence in mind?

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you guys i'm so glad this exists

(Anonymous) 2015-12-21 03:33 am (UTC)(link)
my kinky emotionally damaged ass has found a trashy beautiful home :') :') :')

Re: you guys i'm so glad this exists

(Anonymous) 2015-12-21 01:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Aw yess. *takes you by the hand and dances over garbage piles*

Dat Pinboard backlog

(Anonymous) 2016-01-27 02:35 am (UTC)(link)
So IDK if I'd be up for maintaining the Pinboard archive on an ongoing basis, but I'd certainly be willing to help plow through the backlog of already-posted prompts and fills.

[personal profile] greenkirtle and/or [personal profile] trashmod: would I be able to get access to the Pinboard account for backlog-archiving purposes? If you're wary of too many people having the login info, you could always change the password once the backlog's cleared out.

Other trashfriends: anyone else interested? If we organize it with one person starting at the beginning of a round and another person working backwards from the end, we could have up to six people archiving old prompts and fills without stepping on each other's toes.

Re: Dat Pinboard backlog

(Anonymous) 2016-01-27 05:59 pm (UTC)(link)
That's an amazing idea! I'd love to browse through all our literary effusions, and some anons don't post to the fill thread. (Also, you obviously can't filter).

Se yes, here for it!

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Trying to find a link...

(Anonymous) 2016-01-29 04:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I've been trying to find an old post on tumblr, I think it was linked here but I'm unsure? It was a long interesting explanation on why readers like non-con fiction and the poster made many interesting points on their entry. Does anyone have a link?

Re: Trying to find a link...

(Anonymous) 2016-01-29 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I've seen many such posts on tumblr, most have been reblogged to the whatisthehydratrashparty blog (bless them). So that might be a good place to start? http://whatisthehydratrashparty.tumblr.com/

My first abusive comment! I'm so proud!

(Anonymous) 2016-02-11 08:38 pm (UTC)(link)
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didn't read the story, just realized that you have a lot of rape /trash party stories.. really a lot
I think you have a problem, pls go to a doctoctor or so before you really rape someone in real life and if your female.... you have on sick mind


1) Six is "really a lot". (Eight works total, two of which are non-trashy.) Interesting.
2) Too many punctuation, spelling, and grammar errors to note individually.
3) I don't really know what to do with the whole "rape someone in real life" thing. Do mystery authors get people urging them to get help before they kill someone? Are we worried about Steven Soderbergh robbing the Bellagio?
4) Does the if female then sick part go with the raping someone IRL part? Because I'd bet real money this person thinks that only men rape people.
5) It's not really the done thing to complain about something you haven't actually read.

I've seen the Tumblr series about this stuff so no need to link it to me, I'm just vastly amused. It's my first really abusive comment in this fandom (I had one on...I think it was a House fic on ff.net, years ago) and I'm just :wipes tear: so proud.

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*awards you a gold star made of rotten banana peels*

This is a very special day! You are a true raccoon in the dumpster now!

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