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garbage all the way down ([personal profile] trashmod) wrote in [community profile] hydratrashmeme2014-11-15 10:27 am

Chatter post

For all your discussion needs.

Ground rules:
- Try to keep it loosely trash party related, or at least Cap fandom related.
- Disagreement is fine, nastiness is not.
- Being offended is not carte blanche for nastiness.
- Trashmeme ground rules apply. Read at your own risk, no romanticizing your noncon garbage, no wank about the moral acceptability of noncon kink.
- Body shots, sniper shots, and tetanus shots are all available at the open bar. Party like it's 2014, kids.

(Anonymous) 2016-03-02 05:19 am (UTC)(link)
I'm all for don't tag your hate, it's dismaying to see all the htp piling on the post on tumblr tonight. That kid is 19, guys.

(Anonymous) 2016-03-02 05:20 am (UTC)(link)
* but it's dismaying

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possible rule break

(Anonymous) 2016-03-13 04:57 pm (UTC)(link)
http://hydratrashmeme.dreamwidth.org/1634.html?thread=3782754#cmt3782754
I think it shouldnt be here. The OP wants something romantic.

Non-con fantasies

(Anonymous) 2016-04-08 02:39 pm (UTC)(link)
To those of you who get off to non-con fantasies, I have a rather intimate question: Is this a "once in a while" thing for you, or are these kinds of fantasies to only ones that get you off? And if there are other dynamics/scenarios that get you going, how'd you describe them?

For example, for me it doesn't necessarily have to be non-con, but some kind of power dynamic is a must for it to "work". Humiliation, desperation, internalized (whatever fits the storyline at the given moment), these kind of things.

I was wondering how it is for other people, and if you're feeling comfortable sharing, how it affects your real sex life.

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(Anonymous) 2016-04-12 04:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I find that if I'm fantasizing at all, it's got a kink element to it; I don't know if I'd call it non-con exactly, but yeah, there has to be a power dynamic involved and probably a bit of physical pain.

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OK guys, fess up

(Anonymous) 2016-04-12 10:42 am (UTC)(link)
Which HTP people were going around giving Nazi salutes at cons a year before the HTP even existed? That's some impressive time travel capabilities.

http://minefloozle.tumblr.com/post/142631938106/they-fucking-scream-hail-hydra-h3il-h1tler-and

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(Anonymous) 2016-04-12 11:17 am (UTC)(link)
I want to reply to this post so bad. Ugh.

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any recs for "hydra makes them do it"?

(Anonymous) 2016-04-19 03:26 am (UTC)(link)
hey guys, I'm relatively new here & I've been scanning through pages and pages on the meme and I can't seem to find any plain old hydra-makes-them-do-it kind of trash. Like, Bucky / Steve / Sam / Nat (or any other Avenger/good character in any combination) are captured and forced to have trashy sex with each other against their will for hydra's amusement. I don't really care what the specific kinks are, what does it for me is the "makes them do it" part.

I thought there would be more of that kind of stuff on here, am I missing sthg? is that kind of kink too tangential to the trash party?

Any recs would be awesome!!

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(Anonymous) 2016-04-19 04:40 am (UTC)(link)
I don't read that stuff so I can't come up with recs, but I have definitely seen some fics like that on here. Don't give up hope!

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Trash influenced viewing of Civil War

(Anonymous) 2016-05-10 04:58 pm (UTC)(link)
So, I wasn't attracted to Rumlow at all when I first saw Winter Soldier. He was a big scary muscular man, not my type at all, and I was worried about Steve in the movie and not thinking sexual thoughts about Rumlow whatsoever. (Bucky writhing around in the chair, hell yeah, but that wasn't a surprise to me, pretty guys in pain has been a thing for me for a while.)

Then I discovered the Trash Party last summer and, well, read a lot of fanfics about Rumlow doing terrible things to Bucky, Steve, both, etc. And staring at Frank Grillo's pretty face in gifsets.

Cut to me in a theater watching Civil War and utterly flustered over the briefest glimpses of Rumlow. My IRL friends are very confused, because they know my type, and Frank Grillo ain't it.

I'm pretty sure the Trash Party is 100% responsible for my attraction to Rumlow, and Frank Grillo by extension. And I can't tell anyone but here, anon.

Anyone else have this experience, or a similar one to certain characters or scenes, because of the Trash Party?

Re: Trash influenced viewing of Civil War

(Anonymous) 2016-05-10 05:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Hello anon, I hope your IRL friends didn't ask uncomfortable questions afterward XD

I know what you mean, though. Body builder type guys, COMPLETELY SHAVED non the less, used to make me giggle. (And not in a sexy way.) But hey, a million gif sets later I'm reconsidering.

Is it just me

(Anonymous) 2016-05-12 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
or is this meme low-key the nicest chillest marvel place i mean srsly

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(Anonymous) 2016-05-12 02:34 pm (UTC)(link)
it's true

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Fic search

(Anonymous) 2016-05-13 01:15 am (UTC)(link)
Sorry, nonnies, but I can't find a fill in which Steve and Sam finally catch up with Bucky only to find him half-dead, because HYDRA removed most of his internal organs and his body can't function properly for a long time without special equipment. If someone has a link to this fic, that would be awesome. Thanks!

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(Anonymous) 2016-05-13 09:27 am (UTC)(link)
Could it be one of the fuckpotato ones?

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Russian speakers?

(Anonymous) 2016-05-14 09:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm putting this in rot13 so that those who haven't seen Civil War yet can avoid the spoiler.

Fb jung Ohpxl fnlf nsgre gur gevttre jbeqf ner ernq bhg vf pncgvbarq nf "ernql gb pbzcyl", ohg vg fher fbhaqrq gb zr yvxr gurer jnf n 'ln' ng gur ortvaavat bs gung, vzcylvat gung sbe bapr gur Ratyvfu jnf zber gehapngrq guna gur Ehffvna. Nyfb, jnf gur ireo npghnyyl "pbzcyl"? Vs fbzrbar pbhyq jevgr vg bhg, V'q or tengrshy.

Re: Russian speakers?

(Anonymous) 2016-05-14 10:46 pm (UTC)(link)
*waves a hand*
The answer is in the same rot13.

Npghnyyl vg'f abg fb gehapngrq nf lbh znl guvax orpnhfr bs tenzzngvpny qvssreraprf, ohg va Ratyvfu vg qrsvavgryl fbhaqf... genfuvre gou. Ehffvna irefvba vf "Я готов отвечать" (Ln tb'gbi bgir'pung), fb "V'z ernql gb erfcbaq" jbhyq or zber pbeerpg. Vs lbh ner vagrerfgrq, "ernql gb pbzcyl" fubhyq or genafyngrq va Ehffvna nf "Я готов подчиняться" (Ln tbgbi cbqpuvalngfln).

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looking for sam/steve trash

(Anonymous) 2016-05-19 02:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Anyone know where that Sam/Steve fic was? The one where Bucky was convinced one of them was raping the other? And then he was like "you know what, still better than HYDRA" and it was implied that he just WENT ON BELIEVING THAT? Yeah, that one. I lost it. And now I can't find it.

hydra!steve?

(Anonymous) 2016-05-25 06:29 pm (UTC)(link)
can someone flag marvel's dark!good guys au as off-topic, please?

.....but actually. i'm like, 75% rolling my eyes (they're probably gonna retcon it eventually tbh) and 25% eager to see what sorts of trash possibilities unfold from this.

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(Anonymous) 2016-05-25 06:35 pm (UTC)(link)
not gonna lie, as soon as I heard about the new storyline I came straight here

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Do you ever wish you could untag someone else’s fic in AO3?

(Anonymous) 2016-05-26 06:34 am (UTC)(link)
Good-guy Rumlow . . . tagged as Hydra Trash Party.

*sighs* If only there were a way to report mis-tagged fic at AO3.

Re: Do you ever wish you could untag someone else’s fic in AO3?

(Anonymous) 2016-05-26 11:57 am (UTC)(link)
I've never met an AO3 writer who wasn't willing to change tags, and I've met at lot of AO3 writers.

(I haven't made any requests this politically charged, however, so take that with a grain of salt.)

Post the rules at the top of every prompt post?

(Anonymous) 2016-05-26 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)
1. Don’t take trash and present it as a gourmet dinner—i.e., don’t romanticize or glorify abusive relationships and behaviors.
2. Don’t turn gourmet food into trash; don’t turn trash into gourmet food—i.e, don’t make good guys bad; don’t make bad guys good.

Loss of consent is a horrifying thing and should be presented as a horrible thing.

I feel like we should post these rules at the top of every post page—or at least a sticky post at the top of the home page. A reminder never hurts, but mostly this is for all the people outside the comm who walk in curiously. Especially with all the controversy with Hydra Cap and fandom blaming HTP, we should make it clear—no ifs ands or buts—to outsiders what this comm is about at first glance.

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(Anonymous) 2016-05-27 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
I agree completely. I've felt - over the last couple of days in particular - like some of the new prompts have kinda lost touch with what the original intent of this comm is.

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hydra trash prompts bingo

(Anonymous) 2016-05-28 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey guys, I was playing around with php arrays and I came up with this hydra trash prompts bingo card generator thing. It just randomly matches up a prompt (taken from all rounds of the trashmeme) with a pairing. Characters are from CATWS and CACW. You get a new card each time you refresh the page. Just some pointless trashy fun. ;) Enjoy!!

hydra trash prompts bingo: http://hydratrashbingo.comli.com/

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You are the best.

Someone here is jewish??

(Anonymous) 2016-05-29 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I am not being antisemitic or some shit, I just feel curiosity, after seeing of the crap of tumblr about how everyone in the htp were a bunch of nazist goyim who obligue marvel to make hydra!steve. Even when a) its actually against our rules, and b) with that power, bucky would think the avengers are his handlers or some shit.
So now I feel curiosity, someone here is jewish? or romani, handicap, gay male, black or some other group hated by nazis?
Btw, I am white mexican, so I dont know if I count or not.

Re: Someone here is jewish??

(Anonymous) 2016-06-02 04:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh hm nobody has commented. The short answer is yes for sure! I know of htp people who are Jewish, gay male, trans, POC, and disabled (and on the Internet you often don't know these things, so probably many more than I think). Of course all kinds of people are into all kinds of things. Like, I don't think we should so much be like, "I'm X group so it's okay for me to like this," but at the same time, the diversity on both sides does indicate that our detractors can't go, "This is automatically offensive to people from X group, all people from X group would be offended by this." It's just not true.

I don't think htp is messed up on the level of actually fetishizing Nazis. It's very ethical darkfic. But that said, there literally are Jewish people with Nazi fetishes and black people with slavery fetishes (I read this good article about it lately: http://www.colorlines.com/articles/playing-race). It takes all kinds and fetishes aren't real! At THAT point (Nazis/slavery), I do think people should have a strict filter about when it's appropriate to share these things so they don't make other people feel unsafe, but IMO we are not at that point because of the emphasis on rape, abuse, and Hydra being WRONG.

"b) with that power, bucky would think the avengers are his handlers or some shit."

lol yeah I wish

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you guys...you guys

(Anonymous) 2016-06-03 04:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm in a starbucks and an old man is sitting next to me trying to strike up a conversation and hit on me etc and I'm sitting there nodding along and he said "what're you working on over there" and I'm on the trashmeme like...........weLL

you guyssss

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(Anonymous) 2016-06-03 05:04 pm (UTC)(link)
DO IT

SHOW HIM

DOOOO IIIIT

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Autistic, disabled, & crazy Winter Soldier Feels

(Anonymous) 2016-06-07 03:28 pm (UTC)(link)
http://hydratrashmeme.dreamwidth.org/1634.html?thread=4255842#cmt4255842

what it says on the tin

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(Anonymous) 2016-06-08 06:59 pm (UTC)(link)
i mean i, personally, am obsessed with the visible and casual inclusion of disabled people in all media so whenever people draw bucky just chillin' w/o his arm it makes my day

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Game of Silence

(Anonymous) 2016-06-08 09:41 pm (UTC)(link)
it started off kind of shaky, but it's basically an entire show based around people dealing with the after affects of canonical trash parties(literally, they were parties thrown by the bad guy).

1) Makes me wonder how the fandom, if there is one, reacts to Trash Party Culture (aka dark fic fans). Can't really say "don't do that, that's disgusting" when canon already explicitly went there (like, it's not a metaphor or a "well, that's bad but hey, what if it was even worse" on this show)

2) The characters map *so well* to a Winter Soldier No Powers AU (which I know is not allowed on this meme though). Jessie even pulled a total Natasha move in the season finale. And the day Gil won his cage match was the same day he was dragged to his first trash party, which goes along with the themes of the Winter Soldier being the scariest, toughest guy around yet not having any power to stop his abuse.

Post dissapiered

(Anonymous) 2016-06-16 01:27 pm (UTC)(link)
It is possible that my prompt dissppeared?

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(Anonymous) 2016-06-16 01:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I had a couple of my prompts that mod just deleted from the comm without any warning whatsoever, so yes, it is possible.

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Rumlow centric fic

(Anonymous) 2016-06-18 05:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey guys- I'm new here so I'm not sure how things work, but I think I get the general idea. Please correct me if I mess up.

Anyway, while I enjoy htp (and I must say there are some surprisingly great psychological and character studies to be found here), I was wondering where I can go if I wanted to prompt/look for fanfiction that has Rumlow as a main character outside of htp, that is, outside of kink. I noticed in the general avengers fanfiction tags that Rumlow is usually a convenient villain to be killed off by the third paragraph or that Asshole Ex-boyfriend in au stucky.

But what if I wanna read a fic about the winter soldier and Rumlow ditching shield/hydra and becoming independent contractors? Or Rumlow and Loki on some awkward revenge road trip of lies and backstabbery (the resultant dialogue is hilarious in my head).

And while I know au isn't allowed, I can't be the only one who's longed for au MMA fanfic, am I??

Re: Rumlow centric fic

(Anonymous) 2016-06-22 10:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I completely sympathize with you! It's hard when your fav is someone who's not often incorporated into AU's and the like. I LOVE the HTP and the freedom it allows for exploring the characters, but I would LOVE to find a cute coffee-shop AU with Zemo in it, so I feel you OP :]

Here's one of my fav character studies of Rumlow that's not kink focused, I think it sounds like just your cup of tea! <3 archiveofourown.org/works/1389019

maybe try searching for "goodguy!rumlow" fics or "morally grey!rumlow" fics, they may offer you a less damning exploration of his character. If I see any fun AU's, I'll let you know!

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(Child abuse, rape) Not HTP related- but hoping I can get some advice-

(Anonymous) 2016-06-23 04:36 am (UTC)(link)
I was in a Disability in Society Sociology class, when the teacher sprung, in the last week of class, violent child rape, told from the pov of a queer survivor.

There was no warning, and at no point in the class did we discuss child abuse or rape before this paper.

The only warning was "touches on child abuse" in the HOMEWORK questions, that we are supposed to do AFTER we do the readings.

I made a post on tumblr:
http://marvelouslymadmm.tumblr.com/post/146340930139/soc-249clare-in-davisstonespdf

Or the article is here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3yiqzLWRoXzSS1Wd0txeF9Ld19UMmd3Sm5oMUdZUGJpR0tR/view?usp=sharing

Please- anyone that feels like it is emotionally safe for them to read a 10 page academic article written by the survivor- please read it and let me know if you feel it NEEDS a warning, and this is worth fighting, or if I am just hyper in tune with this because of how it directly parallels a lot of my own early childhood.

I am sorry this isn't fandom related, but I literally don't know who to turn to to ask about this and sound this out.

Re: (Child abuse, rape) Not HTP related- but hoping I can get some advice-

(Anonymous) 2016-06-23 04:38 am (UTC)(link)
Grossness doesn't really start till a few pages in, then it is a nonstop trainwreck of distanced talk about their horrific attacks.

Don't you think this trash party needs a dumpster for other Marvel characters?

(Anonymous) 2016-06-23 10:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Like, a separate prompt post where we can prompt and post trashy Marvel crap that's off topic for the HTP, for example about the Punisher or the X-men or, say Spiderman, or Deadpool and that bastard from the Deadpool movie?
Like the Sabretooth torture prompt I saw, for example.

Rumlow in combat CATWS v CACW

(Anonymous) 2016-06-29 08:09 am (UTC)(link)
Rumlow doesn't seem to get a lot of meta discussion so I just gotta ask- has anyone thought about Rumlow in combat? Cause I was thinking of it yesterday (merrily over analyzing my faves is a favorite pastime), and one of the reasons I'm so intrigued by his character is he was so efficient and focused in CATWS. On the Lemurian Star he very carefully and quietly sets up his shot to take out the terrorist by first knocking him out with the stun baton. He knows he's outmatched by cap in the elevator (ha, that elevator scene) so he goes after him with the batons, and later on he disarms Sharon Carter quite handily and acquires her gun. Guy doesn't waste time on inefficient or unecessary moves.

Which makes it interesting to me that when faced with Falcon he strips off his vest and gleefully proceeds to kick his ass. When he reappears as Crossbones in CW he's more of a brawler than an efficient soldier, I don't think he used a weapon save for the metal gauntlets.. Seems to me that within the demands of an op, he's efficient and very skilled, and left to his own devices he'll happily beat the shit out of people for fun. Anyone have any thoughts?

HYDRA Theories + Trash headcanons

(Anonymous) 2016-06-29 11:50 pm (UTC)(link)
SPOILERS FOR AGENT CARTER

So, I'm kinda new to the fandom, and I'm trying to work out How Things Happened. I know there are some inconsistencies within the movies about dates, but I have a lot of questions. I haven't finished season two of Agent Carter, so I don't know if any of this gets addressed further, but it doesn't seem likely, given that the story has taken other directions.

When Bucky fell from the train, was he found by Leviathan soldiers? In CA:TFA Bucky falls in 1944, and Zola gets arrested. Flash forward to the end of Agent Carter season 1, which is supposed to take place in 1946. Dr. Fennhoff, (who was pretty high up in Leviathan? He had a personal vendetta against Howard Stark, but I didn't get their agenda as an organization?) gets arrested, and for some unfathomable reason gets put in the same cell as Zola. It's implied that he shows Zola how to use hypnosis, which might have caused, or at least influenced Zola to be hired by SHIELD, but that doesn't happen for maybe couple of years? Operation Paperclip started in 1945, but season two of AC takes place in 1947 and there's no mention of Zola being hired by the government so far. I'm assuming that Zola makes friends with Fennhoff and manages to incorporate whatever's left of Leviathan on his new HYDRA? Would the soviets accept him as a leader? Was Leviathan mostly gone by '46 and Zola just picked up the pieces?

From the flashback in CA:TWS it seems that Zola was the one responsible for Bucky's metal arm and turning him into a soldier, but apparently Bucky was with the Soviets for three or four years before Zola managed to get a hold of him. This has lovely trashy possibilities.

I prefer to think that this is the period when they were experimenting on his mind, and when they created the triggers, hence why they're in Russian and not in German as it would make sense if Zola had installed them. Leviathan seemed pretty into mind manipulation and control, as we can see from Fennhoff and the Red Room.
Did they already have cryo technology in 1944? If not, then in what trashy conditions did Bucky spend these years?
Maybe they realized that he was special because he didn't die from his fall, and healed faster from wounds, so maybe they experimented with how far they could go, on a Bucky that was still himself (scared, starved, and lonely, but still himself).

So, what are your theories and headcanons on who trained Bucky and how?

fave non-trash chats/comms/places

(Anonymous) 2016-07-06 09:51 pm (UTC)(link)
don’t get me wrong: i love this place with all my rotten little heart. but sometimes a girl wants something other than dirtybad rape porn. (usually that something involves zombies, but that's beside the point.)

so where do you go to get your non trash cap fix? are there any other communities or circles i should know about, for recs, inspiration, and general discussion? particularly, any as well-managed and even-keeled as this one?

there’s tumblr, of course, but i find it all a little overwhelming in its scope, and fandom circles tend to be kind of clique-y with their weird interpersonal politics. i personally vibe much better with, say, an open chat, or a forum/kinkmeme like this one.

i hear people recommend other kinkmemes from time to time but every time i check them out they’re either (a) wildly inactive or (b) wildly broad in interest and unpleasant to plod through.

any thoughts/recs? thanks in advance.

Re: fave non-trash chats/comms/places

(Anonymous) 2016-07-07 12:15 am (UTC)(link)
Theoretically there's still Avengerkink, even if it's a lot slower, but no one filled any of my prompts on the last three years or so, so it's stopped being funny for me to keep participating. Well, no one filled any of my prompts here either, regrettably.

Now I do AO3 gift exchanges to get to prompt and fill my favorite MCU stuff, of both the trashy and romantic kinds.

I can rec you Avengers Fest, a gift exchange about anything MCU (Marvel comics and other canons are optional), it's great because it's hand matched and mods try to assign participants who appear having compatible likes and dislikes and and at least a pairing in common. Signups just got open: avengersfest.livejournal.com

Or MCU AU Fest, a gift exchange where you get to request and write AUs and Divergent Canon AUs for your ship, it's one of the funniest exchanges I know. mcu-aufest.livejournal.com

There's also Marvel Is Marvel: marvelismarvel.dreamwidth.org

Or Trick or Treat, multifandom, to have fun and writing short either fluffy or dark stories even as non participant. trickortreatex.dreamwidth.org Or Smut Swap, same than Trick or Treat, but only for smutty entries. smutswap.livejournal.com

Sorry if my recs aren't what you were hoping for.

Re: fave non-trash chats/comms/places

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