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garbage all the way down ([personal profile] trashmod) wrote in [community profile] hydratrashmeme2014-11-15 10:27 am

Chatter post

For all your discussion needs.

Ground rules:
- Try to keep it loosely trash party related, or at least Cap fandom related.
- Disagreement is fine, nastiness is not.
- Being offended is not carte blanche for nastiness.
- Trashmeme ground rules apply. Read at your own risk, no romanticizing your noncon garbage, no wank about the moral acceptability of noncon kink.
- Body shots, sniper shots, and tetanus shots are all available at the open bar. Party like it's 2014, kids.

Avengers Fest

(Anonymous) 2016-07-10 08:36 pm (UTC)(link)
http://avengersfest.livejournal.com/

Anyone done this before? How was it? I was kind of hesitant to sign up, then saw someone just requested htp and now I'm considering it.

Re: Avengers Fest

(Anonymous) 2016-07-10 10:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I did it three times, or four? It is great, in my opinion, because mods hand match participants based on their likes and dislikes, not just the ships or characters requested. :) I highly recommend it.

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how to make your father respect your right to do what the fuck you wanna to your hair

(Anonymous) 2016-07-21 10:00 am (UTC)(link)
This is a chatter post, so I might be justified asking.... As a child I was abused by my father (moderate to severe emotional/verbal abuse and mild to moderate physical, no sexual abuse). This left me with self-worth issues. Now I wanna dye my hair a Rachel Alves ginger (it's brown right now) and I know my father will disagree. The potential reactions range from calling me a whore to crying to faking a heart attack.

Re: how to make your father respect your right to do what the fuck you wanna to your hair

(Anonymous) 2016-07-21 01:42 pm (UTC)(link)
So what I'm hearing from your question is that

a) now that you're an adult and no longer under his direct control, you're not worried about your dad physically abusing you if you disobey him (which I'm super glad to hear!), and

b) he continues to be the same emotionally abusive person he ever was, with the same lack of respect for your bodily autonomy he had when he was physically abusing you.

He's gonna find a way to punish you for daring to make your own choices about your own body, whether he does it by insulting you or trying to make you feel bad by crying or faking a heart attack, because he believes he still has a right to control you and to punish you for resisting that control.

And my answer to you, trash friend, is that you cannot force him to do anything. Thinking that you can force him to respect your authority (over yourself) is basically just buying into his game, which is trying to force you to respect his authority over you. You already know that physical force can't accomplish that, and you also know that emotional manipulation can't accomplish that, because he's been trying both of those on you for your whole life and you continue to resist him despite the damage he's inflicted on you (and good for you for continuing to push back, seriously).

But you can't force him to stop, or to understand that he's wrong. You can't win playing his game. He's decades ahead of you and he rigged the rules against you from the start.

All you can do is live your life like you are an adult who has a right to make your own damn choices about your hair (which you absolutely are and absolutely do). If he wants to carry on about it, that's his choice. You're not responsible for what he tries to do based on his false beliefs about his authority over you (although, again, if it's a matter of physical safety or economic security or anything like that, make the choices you need to make to be safe). But if all he's going to do is carry on about it and try to make you feel bad, probably all you can do is refuse to listen to him: say "I'm sorry you feel that way," and then hang up the phone, or walk away.

Your dad is fundamentally a troll-commenter on your life now. If you can't ban his account, you just gotta keep deleting the comments, but trying to engage with him is only going to give him more openings to say awful shit to you and waste your time and energy. Don't feed the troll.

Looking for a specific fic

(Anonymous) 2016-07-28 06:19 pm (UTC)(link)
In it Bucky was recovering and at the beginning it was just him and Steve, but then after like a week Sam returned from somewhere. Steve and Sam are in a relationship but Bucky assumes that Sam is Steve's handler.

(Anonymous) 2016-07-31 09:42 pm (UTC)(link)
RE: http://hydratrashmeme.dreamwidth.org/1634.html?thread=4510562#cmt4510562

Maybe we could continue this discussion here so as not to clog up the fill/prompt post.

(Anonymous) 2016-07-31 10:18 pm (UTC)(link)
(anon saying no to dehumanization on old thread)

For clarification, I'm not saying we shouldn't write about condescending dehumanization, I'm not trying to police kinks, but I'm saying there's a difference between writing about bad guys doing it and us doing it.

However, it is very possible that I misread a hijack as blatant disregard for Bucky as a human being, After all, in a different context, under a different prompt, that seal response could have been a playful comment that belonged in this dumpster. But, *handwaves* now we're getting into subtleties of what is and isn't ok, and that's probably not the discussion anyone came here looking to have.

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(Anonymous) 2016-08-01 06:25 am (UTC)(link)
I really love the idea of taking discussions like this to the chatter post and I hope it becomes a htp habit.
THIS.

Re: the original comment (that I read as dark humor) - where's the difference in badwrongness between saying it's "hot" and it's "cute"? I think we in the dumpster have long since established that feelings about things in fiction =/= what we feel about the same thing in reality.

(Anonymous) 2016-08-01 09:31 pm (UTC)(link)
What's the difference between saying it's hot and saying it's romantic?

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romance/horror genre

(Anonymous) 2016-08-20 08:06 am (UTC)(link)
Is there a name for the genre of horror that's based around romantic relationships?

Not sexual horror (though there's frequently an overlap). But like, take that recent bodyswap fill -- http://hydratrashmeme.dreamwidth.org/1634.html?thread=3904354. There's the creeping feeling that *something is off*. And it turns out the thing that's "off" is the relationship. Maybe even more true of some of the S/R trash we've had, actually (e.g. http://archiveofourown.org/works/1867800).

It's basically... horror where the fear factor comes from domestic abuse. (It is by far my favorite type of horror.) But I don't know how to find it, what it's generally labeled, or even whether it exists off the Internet.

This isn't really on-topic to the HTP, and trashmod can feel free to freeze it. I just figured hardcore noncon fans would be the most likely to know about the phenomenon.

Re: romance/horror genre

(Anonymous) 2016-08-25 08:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmmm, there is misery lit, also called misery porn, but that is biographical.

Other Trashy Ships?

(Anonymous) 2016-08-26 01:45 am (UTC)(link)
Not sure if this fits the rules, but does anyone else have other "trashy" or not-so-fandom-accepted ships? What other alleyways do y'all trash dive in?

I'm personally a fan of the (I guess) now related Venom/Spiderman pairing, Jasper/Lapis in Steven Universe, Bill Cipher/Stanford Pines in Gravity Falls, Kylo Ren/Poe Dameron from Star Wars and other pairings that are similar. I definitely gravitate towards the trashier parties, which is definitely why I'm here.

So, yeah, what other trash parties do you RSVP for?

Re: Other Trashy Ships?

(Anonymous) 2016-08-29 08:36 am (UTC)(link)
Does Hannigram from the TV series count? It is canon, more or less. I also like Hannibal/Clarice Starling from the books, which IS canon.

I like anything with darkhaired pretty boys being fucked up or fucking someone else up.
Loki, Kylo, Zuko, Poe, Will Graham, Dick Grayson, Jason Todd...
The Winter soldier of cause. In the end of Civil War I thought: "Bucky looked better when he was sweaty and tortured."

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Cute aggression - One reason for trashy feelings?

(Anonymous) 2016-08-29 08:52 am (UTC)(link)
Hallo!

This is a article I read.
http://www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/news/releases/tears-of-joy-may-help-us-maintain-emotional-balance.html

It is about that people reacted a bit agressive to cute babies like "I want it eat it up.". The study says that this is due to the brain dialing down the possitive reaction with a negative one to "cool down".
I think I have this a bit with pretty people. "Matt Bomer! Your face is too much! I want to punch it!"

I know trashy feelings have a lot reasons: attraction to the power dynamic, outlet for aggression and so on.

I am not intimidated by pretty people, so I don't think I get aggressive out of jealousy or the feeling of "You will never have him!"

Your thoughts?

historical awareness of male rape?

(Anonymous) 2016-09-02 12:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Any history anons out there who could help me out? My question is: is it at all realistic that Bucky, going solely off what he knew about rape in the '30s and '40s, would have no idea men can get raped, and might not use that word to describe what happened to him just because he's a man?

I'm not really talking about general cultural understanding; after all, looking at our culture today you'd find trends of devaluing and dismissing male rape, and yet there are also lots of people who take it seriously. Were there people like that back then, who knew that this could happen to men and boys? Or was it not a totally nonexistent thought?

Re: historical awareness of male rape?

(Anonymous) 2016-09-02 01:13 pm (UTC)(link)
So one of the interesting things about how the MCU has set things up? Steve and Bucky's neighborhood was hella gay. As a result, I think it's likely that both of them would be aware men can be raped--queer-bashing is not a 21st century phenomenon, and living in the boho neighborhood would provide plenty of opportunity to hear about or run across the aftermath.*

But they would both probably think of it as the kind of thing that happens to, not to put too fine a point on it, guys who look like Steve, not Bucky: short, fine-boned, delicate-looking. Steve has some armor in that he dresses "normally"; guys who were more femme would have commensurately more problems. The idea was that a man was only fuckable insofar as he was "like a woman".

So, I don't think it's likely that Bucky would have no awareness at all. On the other hand, he'd probably be shocked that he was a target, being a pretty "manly" guy by most measures. He might easily decide it wasn't rape because rape is something that happens to women and fairies^, not to big strong guys like him.

*: Just to be super-clear, what I mean here is not that gay men are more likely to rape each other! I mean that the population of the queer neighborhood would be a target for outsiders.

^: One of the more common terms in use at the time

Dark!good guys vs. being human

(Anonymous) 2016-09-04 02:13 am (UTC)(link)
After the "Tony is inadvertantly mean and triggering" prompt that got frozen, does anyone else want to sit down and define what exactly covers dark!good guys? Because I firmly believe that being mean out of negligence or frustration should not mean you are automatically evil. There is an element to being human, and even though these guys are fictional characters that doesn't mean they are paradigms of everything good.

Where do we draw the line between being human and being dark?

(Also, this may be just me but this conversation seems to come up mostly around Tony. Sam, Steve, and everyone else is allowed to inadvertantly say triggering things to Bucky, but then Tony comes up and everyone gets touchy. Why is Tony off limits?? He is human just like everyone else, and even in canon is shown to have the capability to lash out when he is hurt or frustrated. He did literally try to kill Bucky, so it's inconceivable that he can say hurtful things as well?)

Re: Dark!good guys vs. being human

(Anonymous) 2016-09-04 02:46 am (UTC)(link)
EITHER/OR Anon from that thread here.

Well, I think that good guys may! yes! inadvertently do something to hurt someone else! And then they realize that it was bad and stop doing it and seek to make amends for having done it. This is generally the arc of any story that has e.g. Steve or Sam inadvertently hurting/triggering Bucky.

I think that when you are doing something that hurts (or denies the humanity) of someone else and you are sufficiently aware of how wrong it is to hide it from others and keep doing it anyway or refuse to acknowledge that it's wrong, then you are Not A Good Person. See also: the "I just lost my temper (but never in front of someone who would call me out on it or in a way that would get me caught)" defense from abusers.

And, uh, idk if you noticed how fandom had a civil war to rival the one in the movie, but: people are maybe touchy about Tony because there are a lot of people in the fandom who genuinely want to insist that he is Not A Good Guy, and it is pretty much an exact overlap with people who would rather ship Steve with Bucky than with Tony. This is already a near-universally pro-Bucky and pro-Steve/Bucky space; we don't need to make Tony Officially The Worst Avenger Who We Hate For Being Cruel To Our Bucky (LOOK HOW CRUEL WE CAN IMAGINE HIM BEING TO OUR BUCKY), because there's already a space for that and it's the rest of Captain America fandom.

The meme is for actual villains doing dirtybadwrong things to our faves--Civil War gave us Crossbones, Karpov, Zemo, Thunderbolt Ross, creepy Martin Freeman, the guards at the Raft, and five other HYDRA supersoldiers for that. It did not make Tony a villain.

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Imzy comm for darkfic writers/readers?

(Anonymous) 2016-09-11 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey guys, would anyone be interested in joining an Imzy comm dedicated to panfandom darkfic? I'm low-key thinking of starting one up. It would mainly be for discussing, sharing, reccing, (maybe prompting for?) dark and trashy fic in all its delicious varieties, across all fandoms. Also a place to find other darkfic writers to discuss the craft, find betas, etc. The rules would probably be a little more lax than the trashmeme, as far as allowing dark!good guys, mirrorverse, omegaverse, etc. as well as being multifandom. I figure we can iron out all the specifics as we go.

I've been playing around with the platform a little and it looks like they've got pretty good control settings in place for folks who want to stay anonymous. Also the comm would be private (invite-only) so we could theoretically keep most of the haters at bay.

Imzy's still in beta, and I kinda want to push at the barriers now to see how much they'll let us get away with right off the bat. Y'know, before we're all emotionally invested and get shut down right when the going's good.

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Personally, that might actually get me to use my Imzy membership. :)

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round #12804930 anti wank

(Anonymous) 2016-09-16 04:08 am (UTC)(link)
Anyone want to talk about this most recent round of anti wank? I'm so damn tired of it happening the same exact way every goddamn time. Of course it's because some new tumblr child realizes that they don't get to control what everyone else makes, but it's so tiring the way it hits almost exactly the same beats every time, no matter who's involved. I'm tired of being told I'm hurting survivors, I'm tired of being told I need to get therapy, I'm tired of these literal children acting like they have any right to tell anyone else what to read or write or think.

I'm so tired, and I think it's working, because it's wearing down my interest in participating in trash if this is the cost. :(

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I hear you, my fellow trash denizen. I am dragging over my favorite shredded-up porn magazines and some fluffy brown stuff that might have come out of a super attenuated teddy bear to tuck around you.

All silliness aside, well, I do so fuckign hear you. It's exhausting.

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Tumblr just discovery we love Sam Wilson

(Anonymous) 2016-09-18 01:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Guys, I read the 6th post about how the HTP is antiblack and racist because we dare to write about Sam.
So I think tumblr has just discovery that this is not Bucky only.
I thought they wanted Sam-centric fics right?
Wait until they find out about T'challa.

Re: Tumblr just discovery we love Sam Wilson

(Anonymous) 2016-09-18 07:52 pm (UTC)(link)
tumblr rando: "oh my god, it's so racist that people in this fandom don't write about sam. people need to write about sam."

someone here: "-writes about sam-"

tumblr rando: "...no, not like that......"

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Haven't been around for a while!

(Anonymous) 2016-09-24 04:52 am (UTC)(link)
Are we still posting prompts that hinge on Civil War characters or plot points in the Spoiler Bin? Or are we calling it fair game for the main dumpster now that the movie's out? I looked around a little and didn't see this answered but I definitely could have missed it haha

Re: Haven't been around for a while!

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Haven't seen any official trashmod statement about it, but it seems like the general use case is that everything goes in the new dumpster now, and the spoiler bin is basically for any remaining fills for prompts there...

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Kinktober, anyone?

(Anonymous) 2016-09-29 08:28 am (UTC)(link)
Not sure if someone else has mentioned this before, but I stumbled across a writing/art challenge for the month of October where you basically work around a different kink each day. (There is a kink list with the post, but it also says it's allowed to change the things you're not comfortable with to something of your own liking.)

Link: http://windexbucky.tumblr.com/post/151092474017/kinktober

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(Anonymous) 2016-09-29 03:06 pm (UTC)(link)
cool, thanks for sharing!!

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Is there a Agents of Shield kink meme outhere?

(Anonymous) 2016-09-29 02:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi!
I woundered if there is a good AoS kink meme outhere. They don't show up on the avenger kink meme much.
I am not on tumblr (dodging that bullet), but I have needs, you know, like bi-sexual honeypot Fitz and stuff.

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(Anonymous) 2016-10-08 07:07 am (UTC)(link)
I was just coming to ask this because I need fic of Brock Rumlow terrorizing Fitz

For science

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*awkward rustling noises*

(Anonymous) 2016-10-06 03:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know whether these even belong in the fill post since they're not exactly fills from stuff I found on the trashmeme, so I thought that maybe dumping them here would be more appreciated by our lovely Trashmod. I don't want to cause too much chaos in different places with stuff that doesn't belong anywhere specific. *squeaks bc they're an anxious little mouse*

*rustles around under moldy salad* You may or may not have already stumbled into the first one, a Hydra Trash Bukkake starring the Asset, Pierce, Rumlow, Rollins, Sitwell and many others. (link: http://archiveofourown.org/works/8202134 )
The second one is something I ended up loving more than I possibly should aka Vasily Karpov fucks the Asset like a dog in front of a mirror. (link: http://archiveofourown.org/works/8221684 )

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I can't wait to read these! I love people getting fucked in front of mirrors! Thanks pal!

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find a fic

(Anonymous) 2016-10-28 02:28 am (UTC)(link)
Does anyone here have a link to the fic where Bucky feels like he can't say no to anyone if they're interested in him? I'm pretty sure it was posted here bc I can't find it anywhere on AO3...

Re: find a fic

(Anonymous) 2016-10-28 02:33 am (UTC)(link)
It's on prompt post 3: https://hydratrashmeme.dreamwidth.org/1634.html?thread=3438434#cmt3438434

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Where my fellow Castration!kink enthusiasts at?

(Anonymous) 2016-11-05 06:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Anyone who's into Captain America characters getting their balls and/or cock chopped off, talk to me! Why do you like this kink? What are your favorite stories involving it? What do you wish you saw more of in castration fic?

Personally, I prefer when it's "just" the balls, but I can get behind some nullification, too. And it's best for me when it's Bucky. Poor, poor Bucky, that guy can't catch a break in my fantasies...

thoughts on Bucky/Nat, Red Room era - first time, negotiating consent??

(Anonymous) 2016-11-06 02:59 am (UTC)(link)
Anyone care to kick around ideas as to how Natasha & Bucky's early Red Room relationship (while he was training her, etc) would have manifested? I've got some background thoughts to start. Much of this is fanon mashing up of MCU with comics. Feel free to throw in your own headcanon & interpretations.

How would the first move(s)/first time(s) actually have been initiated? How would that have unfolded?

Nat understands being "unmade" and the Soldier's been wiped to hell and back over the decades. They've both had their bodily autonomy violated, being shaped into weapons and operated on. And sometimes his handlers do things he'd rather not think about. The Red Room makes damn sure its girls learn about men.

It's two victims/survivors working out consent all on their own, and while immersed in pretty awful, violent conditions - yet they both feel drawn to each other by something better.

With these factors in mind, who do you think would have initiated things and how? Slowly, suddenly, in what setting?

Other ideas: Bucky seems to have been a pretty decent charmer back in the day, but could/would any of that inform how he behaves with Natasha, after all the mind wipes? And has Natasha had any consensual or non-performative experience to work from? Are there some activities they have to communicate they're not okay with?

(This idea was posted in prompt form at another kinkmeme, but really I'm just crossposting it here as a thing to discuss bc it's got me thinking up a dozen scenarios but also stumped all at once. Holler if you want the link.)

Steve and weed

(Anonymous) 2016-11-06 04:27 am (UTC)(link)
can Steve Rogers get high or does the serum gotta harsh that mellow too? would he have better luck with dabs or edibles or other alternative formats?

asthma and social awkwardness aside for a moment, how likely is it that original recipe Steve would've encountered A Reefer back in the day?

asking 4 a friend

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Didn't some vintage asthma cigarettes have some cannabis in them?

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Proofreading, anyone?

(Anonymous) 2016-11-13 05:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm just one of many who throws themselves at NaNoWriMo this month. It's my first time doing so, and since it's a project bigger than what I usually work on I'm also considering working with a proofreader.

I'm asking the dumpster because I'm writing Brock Rumlow & Bucky Barnes, a ship that isn't exactly welcome in many places.

In case you're interested or if you have any further questions, let me know c:

Since it's an AU where Rumlow is a good guy aka not actual trashmeme material, I probably will keep any updates on new chapters and so on for Tumblr.

Dumpster, we need to talk!

(Anonymous) 2016-11-14 10:24 am (UTC)(link)
No, not about or kinks or what's appropriate...but about giving authors love.

I guess what brought this on is that I've noticed that every time we switch rounds, a lot of the fills just stop. Which is unsurprising, since the previous round just becomes a dead land within two weeks of switching.

Now yes, this is selfish, because one of my favorite stories just updated in dumpster 3, and I feel it's amazing, but it's not getting much love, and I think the author is great for still updating. Many, I noticed, have stopped. And yes, I have my own WIP's there, and I must say it isn't terribly motivating to post anymore if there's no reaction.

I don't have the solution either, but the least we could do is check old round every few days and give authors that still update a bit of love.

To be honest, even in round 4, I find it disappointing how little feedback writers sometimes get, and I've on occasion commented on a story that wasn't my kink, but is just very well-written, because I want those people to keep writing.

Remember, that person might do YOUR prompt next time, so I think it's important, as a community, to be supportive.


Okay, end of rant now.

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(Anonymous) 2016-11-14 05:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I would definitely leave all the love and appreciation and rotten bananas in the world to ALL these wonderful prompts and their (WIP) fills, but that'd cost me a lifetime. I only recently got through dumpster 1 after all this time and I felt too awkward to commment there, possibly because of this reason. But hey, I'll soon pay a visit to the other dumpsters and I shall gladly keep this in mind! There is nothing more satisfying than reading someone's fill to your prompt idea or just some nice feedback to a fill you wrote yourself c:

*sways angry fist at every set of responsibilities that keeps me away from adoring all the pretty trash in these dumpsters*

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(Anonymous) 2016-11-15 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
You know what? Instead of letting this devolve into a fight, maybe we could discuss ways for fic authors to let readers know when stories on a closed thread have updated. So many of us post and read anonymously, so we *can't track threads*. And a lot of authors do abandon their stories once the request threads move past a certain number of pages or the old thread closes. So if a story is located in an old thread, and it doesn't update for awhile, I tend to lose track of it and it takes a lot of time out of my day to bookmark the story and keep checking back to see if it updated. So I won't be commenting on it no matter how much I liked it, it's buried 17 pages in, halfway down the page, two rounds ago and there's no way for me to know when the author updates.

There must be a better system.

(Anonymous) 2016-11-15 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
Wasn't there a discussion just recently on post 4 about nonnies from previous threads bringing their fills over to the new post? I think it's fine for people to come over to the active post with a link to new content on the old one.

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Need Russian help!

(Anonymous) 2016-11-20 03:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Any Russian-speaking nonnies here who'd be willing to translate a couple of phrases for me? It's kinda important to the story that the character be speaking Russian, but it's a long enough sentence that I don't want to go the Google Translate route.

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