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garbage all the way down ([personal profile] trashmod) wrote in [community profile] hydratrashmeme2014-05-30 03:36 pm

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WHAT THE FUCK EVEN IS THIS PLACE:

Once upon a time, in the glory days following the release of Captain America: The Winter Soldier, all the angry Tumblr yelling about Sebastian Stan's "just rolled out of a gutter behind the world's seediest gay bar" chic hopped into bed with a bunch of lewd speculation about metal arms, stun batons, magnetic handcuffs, and obedient brainwashed assassins getting passed around Hydra office parties. Thus was the Hydra Party Favor trash party born, and we've been doing appalling nonconsensual things to super-soldiers ever since.

RULES:

1. Don't be a jerk (except to fictional characters).

This is, of necessity, arbitrary and subject to the mod's judgement. Arguing with the mod about what constitutes jerk behavior isn't jerk behavior in and of itself, and neither is opining that another commenter is being a jerk and asking them to knock it off, but don't be a jerk about doing those things.

2. This meme is a choose-not-to-warn experience.

Giving advance warning for particularly fucked-up stuff is polite, but nobody's going to twist your arm if you don't.

3. Here be non-con kink. Deal with it.

If you want to get judgey about the fact that some people get off on dirtybadwrong things happening to their favorite characters, this isn't the venue for that debate. If non-con/dub-con triggers or upsets you, with all the sympathy in the world, I advise you to run far, far away for your own safety. THAT SAID, feel free to get judgey over non-con that isn't acknowledged as such. You want to crash in this dumpster, you've got to fucking own the trashiness of your kinks.

Specifically, trash party kinks hard on the awfulness of straight-up non-con, torture, and abuse. If what grinds your gears is non-con that the story doesn't acknowledge due to badwrong in-universe rules of consent, whether it's rape-is-love ravishment fantasy or Gor-esque slavefic or various flavors of a/b/o and D/s-verse, hey, as long as you're not the one claiming it's consensual, we're all filthy perverts of equal standing... but that's not the dynamic that drives this party, so trashmeme isn't the place to get your fix.

4. Management reserves the right to delete off-topic posts at will.

[community profile] hydratrashmeme is a niche kinkmeme, and much like the exact nature of jerkitude, the exact boundaries of the niche are an arbitrary judgement call. I'm not up for rules-lawyering or hair-splitting about what constitutes the nature of Hydra Trash Party. I showed up to Hydra Trash Party several weeks late with Starbucks, bro, I don't even have the right to define the Zen of Garbage. That said, to give you a feel for what this place is about:

A non-exhaustive list of things that are definitely on topic: Hydra doing terrible things to Bucky Barnes, Hydra doing terrible things to Steve Rogers, Hydra making them do terrible things to each other, pretty much anything that could be described as "bad people do dirtybadwrong things to your faves, Cap fandom edition," fucked-up violence kink of any degree of consensuality, meta crack about the trash party

A non-exhaustive list of things that are definitely off topic: prompts not centered around Cap franchise characters (anyone who was in CA:TFA or CA:TWS counts), dark!Steve/dark!Avengers/OOC good guys doing dirtybadwrong things to your faves, A/B/O, D/s-verse, non-superpowered AUs, soulbond AUs, screwy in-universe rules of consent, prompts that blur lines about what is actually consensual and what isn't

A non-exhaustive list of gray areas: aftermath/recovery prompts (fine if heavily focused on past badwrong), appearances from other Marvel characters (fine as cameos if the main focus is on a Cap character, not fine as a backdoor for Tony Stark/Loki/Grant Ward/etc to steal the show)

Yes, this means there are several flavors of non-con and general fucked-upness that [community profile] hydratrashmeme just ain't here to provide. Hydra Party Favor Trash Party 2014 started out doing one thing and doing it well, and this meme's focus is expanded slightly from there, but it still isn't all things to all people all the time. For itches that the trash meme is disinclined to scratch, may I recommend the fine purveyors of smut over at [community profile] capkink, [livejournal.com profile] avengerkink, [community profile] avengers_kink, [livejournal.com profile] marvel_cinekink, and the many other Marvel kinkmemes that would be delighted to receive prompts for any kink under the sun.

5. Kinkmeme etiquette dispute not covered in the rules? Try to sort it out peaceably on your own before calling in the mod.

This dumpster is largely self-regulating. If some well-meaning anon tries to hijack your prompt or otherwise steps on your toes, be civil with them, but go ahead and clarify that you Do Not Want. Assume good faith wherever you can. Don't play "gotcha!" with random people's comments; you are not the vigilante etiquette cop Gotham needs or deserves. The mod will intervene if things get nasty, but as long as self-regulation keeps working for us, it would be bad for everyone's blood pressure to have the mod policing the finer points of dumpster deportment.

The ins and outs of kinkmeme etiquette are beyond the scope of this rules post, so I'll leave you to Google it unless multiple people want me to draw up a set of basic guidelines for Shit Trashmod Won't Harass You For But Other Anons Might. Prompt hijacking is the only faux pas that seems to happen with any degree of regularity here anyway.

One trashmeme-specific request: unprompted fills are more than welcome, but instead of putting the full text of the fic directly in the thread-starter comment, please post an intro comment and then reply to it with the fic text so that people can collapse it if they don't want to scroll. Or just make a prompt and self-fill on the sly.

Quick Question

(Anonymous) 2014-06-03 10:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not debating at all, but can I ask why those AUs are banned? I understand disliking them personally, but you know... Kink meme.

Re: Quick Question

(Anonymous) 2014-06-03 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)
(same anon)

Ok, that's totally fine. I'm a fan of most of those, but I've definitely seen them overrun kink memes to the point where even I am like "Yeah ok let's...back it off. I have other kinks."

I was just wondering because I'm super partial to the badwrong of Pierce/Bucky and Rumlow/Bucky omegaverse. I 100% understand, I was just curious.

Re: Quick Question

(Anonymous) 2014-06-03 11:39 pm (UTC)(link)
also anon lives in ohio and we have kudzu here too so GOOD METAPHOR.

Re: Quick Question

(Anonymous) 2014-06-03 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
New anon. Not a fan of the AUs myself, so no bias here, but an idea just came to my mind: possibly have another post just for those AU prompts? Keep it separate from the main kink prompt post.

Sorry mod if this seems imposing. :) Just an idea that sprang in my mind.

(Anonymous) 2014-06-05 04:29 pm (UTC)(link)
HELLO TRASH PARTY

Can you clarify for me who is invited to the trash party? Steve and/or Bucky being sexually abused by Hydra agents in a movieverse context etc. seems clear, but is it limited to that or would, for example, these kinds of prompts be okay?

1. Obadiah Stane throws drugged teenage Tony to his Hydra friends to "teach him some discipline"
2. Natasha's graduation exercises from the Black Widow program involve being required to get a semen sample from the Winter Soldier
3. Grant Ward beats the shit out of the Winter Soldier on his day off in order to work out some of his frustration over fucking Coulson and his fucking Captain America obsession
4. Sitwell/Batroc on the Lemurian Star

(Anonymous) 2014-06-05 05:56 pm (UTC)(link)
This anon would prefer that the hydra trash party stayed with Bucky+Steve and Hydra instead of branching out.

(Anonymous) 2014-06-05 06:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Keeping to CA:TWS works for original question-asker, who was mostly just unsure!

(Anonymous) 2014-06-06 01:52 am (UTC)(link)
Same anon as above. That sounds fair!

(Anonymous) 2014-06-06 09:47 am (UTC)(link)
…and this anon would think it interesting, but maybe have a separate prompt post for it. Y'know. To keep the trash orderly and everything.

(basically, just write ALL the trash yes good)

(Anonymous) 2014-06-06 04:47 pm (UTC)(link)
YES

(Anonymous) 2014-06-12 02:28 am (UTC)(link)
can I talk about how I love that your icon is Oscar the Grouch so now I imagine Oscar as our mod and can this be our theme song (http://youtu.be/rxgWHzMvXOY).

a question

(Anonymous) 2014-06-16 07:47 am (UTC)(link)
The Red Skull wishes to inquire if he is welcome to attend the party. There are so many things he would like to do to the Captain.

(Anonymous) 2014-06-16 10:13 am (UTC)(link)
May I ask where exactly the line of "judgy" is drawn? Because someone's been on about certain types of trash being OOC lately, and I feel like it's kind of skirting the edge, but I don't want to make it a thing if I'm the only one bothered.

All ye artists out there

(Anonymous) 2014-06-20 01:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Do you still try to uphold a non-dumpster appearance in you usual art sharing places? In that case, where do you host your trash art?

Because while the dumpster is blessed with amazingly talented artists, more art fills are always nice cough cough

Re: a question

(Anonymous) 2014-06-23 06:28 am (UTC)(link)
I feel like Red Skull and Zola prompts should be within the bounds of "HYDRA messing with our boys and possibly each other". To be honest, it's not like there are likely to be a gazillion prompts of them anyway because they are not hot like Rumlow.

On darker characterisation [rape culture tw]

(Anonymous) 2014-06-23 07:04 pm (UTC)(link)
On the issue of dark!Steve and/or dark!Avengers taking part in the party games:

First off, I totally agree this would involve the Avengers being darker characters than most of us would headcanon. I don't personally believe canon!Steve would ever willingly rape Bucky, and if our trashmod and community decides that having Steve cross that line is a bridge too far, I'll accept that decision.

But I do think there are some points to be made in favour of allowing darker versions of the "good guys" - first and foremost that the vast majority of prompts in this kinkmeme involve making characters darker than they are in canon. As much as I love playing in this trashcan, I can't say I genuinely believe that canon!Rumlow or canon!Pierce would actually have brutally raped the Winter Soldier on a regular basis. And when one anon said something along similar lines, our trashmod did defend the "trashiness of thy neighbor's kinks" (http://hydratrashmeme.dreamwidth.org/587.html?thread=109131#cmt109131). (That's not a criticism of any kind, I just wanted to bring it up as a possibly-relevant precedent to consider.)

Secondly, I do still think angry!anon raised a valid point on the topic of what is or isn't OOC. The idea that some characters are too "good" to rape does fundamentally assume that we can predict their attitudes to consent based on their other behaviour. And the unfortunate truth is many of us know firsthand that doesn't always work. I do admit Steve might be the one exception I'd consider because canonically he's so morally white, but I don't think it's unreasonable that some people might want to play with darker Avengers doing bad things in here.

I definitely agree that the key thing that needs to be respected is that we all recognise how filthy our trashcan is. And given that the prompt that sparked all this was anonymous, nobody had any idea how much the prompter understood of rape culture and its complexities. So it's totally understandable that people were concerned that the prompter might have been perpetuating typical rapist attitudes and excuses unawares, rather than intentionally evoking them for trash party purposes.

That said, if the prompt had included something along the lines of "I just want to see Steve with a dark side," I think that would've made it clear that the prompt wasn't "way less consensual than the prompter seems aware of" (http://hydratrashmeme.dreamwidth.org/587.html?thread=157003#cmt157003), and I personally would have been okay with that.

So yeah, I'd be in favour of allowing darker Avengers, possibly with the stipulation that instances of "good" guys doing bad things are extra-clear that they're still bad things and shouldn't be any less unforgiveable. (And maybe also have a policy of asking to clarify intent if there's ambiguity, to avoid misunderstandings in future?)

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