hydratrashmeme | Dumpster #3: The Great Pacific Garbage Patch

Dumpster #3: The Great Pacific Garbage Patch

Holy shitballs, look at us go. Welcome to Captain America fandom's resident wretched hive of scum and villainy: ROUND THREE. AKA Bad Guys Do Dirtybadwrong Things To Your Faves, AKA the Hydra Trash Party kinkmeme. As usual, BLANKET NON-CON AND NSFW WARNINGS apply: just assume going in that everything in this landfill is unfit for human consumption.

Rules in brief: don't be a jerk except to fictional characters, warnings for particularly fucked-up garbage are nice but not required, thou shalt not judge the trashiness of thy neighbor's kinks unless thy neighbor is trying to pass off their rotting banana peels and half-eaten pizza crusts as a healthy romantic dinner for two, off-topic comments may be chucked out of the dumpster at management's discretion, management's discretion decrees that omegaverse, soulbond AUs, D/s-verse, non-superpowered AUs, and dark!good guys AUs are off-topic.

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This bring us to important questions: Does Steve Rogers watch porn on the internet? Does he go out of his way to look for it? And how big would his shame-boner be for fapping to "rape-play" porn because of one "actor"?

I just had a horrible (by which I mean delightful) thought:

What is Steve CANNOT burn it down?

I mean, all those videos dating back to the 1940's: It's got faces, location, maybe even people alluding casually to missions; It's basically evidence, and a valuable tool in tracking down Hydra agents and safe-houses.

This also means that someone will have to sift through days worth of viewing material of filth. And Steve might not want anyone else to see.

So he just might have to do it on his own, and curse his dick if it reacts.

Btw, where is Bucky in this? Has he been reunited with Steve? Are the romantically involved? Does he know about this?

Hydra wants to kill someone. But said person is impossible to reach, unless you get to them through their network of known associates.

The Winter Soldier's mission is to kill this person. In order for him to do that, Hydra sets him up with a rich baddie (make this whoever you wish - shady oil sheikh, corrupt politician,arms dealer... whatever you fancy). Hydra knows he's into guys, and the WS is his type.

Problem is, he's also a sadistic fuck.

So WS has to go "undercover" and be this guy's sex slave for weeks, maybe months to get to his target. Up to you if he finally manages the assassination or not,if he kills his "master" at the end or not, or if there are other sex slaves he has to interact with or not.

I'm partial to good old-fashioned ass-rape, but kink-wise I'm pretty much cool with anything except scat, bestiality and incest...so whatever your sick lil' heart desires.

I don't think it's even slightly accurate to say recovery prompts are drowning out other prompts. Are people incapable of scrolling? Are we so overwhelmed with a daily flood of recovery prompts that only the strongest adventurer has the stamina to sift through it in search of that one double penetration prompt they know must be in there? Are we seriously saying it's a bad thing the meme is so active right now, and that we'd better tell people to put LESS time and creative energy into this place?

People in this thread have been coming up with good interpretations of what the problem is and how to fix it. "The problem is recovery where the rape isn't centralized. The solution is to make sure your prompt is trashy enough." "The problem is a lot of indistinguishable prompts right after one another. Instead of posting another identical prompt, support one of the recent ones." But these are interpretations because the mod WASN'T that clear. What we had from the mod is "There's too much recovery, so knock it off." Because it was so generalized and vague, it sounded like it was invalidating people's participation in their favorite trash sandbox, no matter how on topic they were being. Like, of course people didn't like that. Now we have radio silence from the mod, so there have been great ideas in this thread, and no way to confirm if that's what the mod meant?

Oh my god, this prompt hits all of my buttons so hard I feel like I must have come on here in my sleep and unknowingly typed it out. FUCK YEAH

I kinda like this.
Over time he just becomes less of a zombie assassin and more Bucky like and finally gets tired of this guy's shit.
Bucky just like 'I'm gonna get the worst punishment for this but fuck it, it will be sooo worth it.'

Notes:
This is definitely recovery-oriented, so in light of recent events, I hope that's still okay.

This still has an additional warning for suicidal thoughts, but is far less explicit on the body horror (though Bucky does still have a fuckpotato body) and does not have explicit rape.

First chapter is Bucky's POV, but that will alternate, so if you want Steve angst, there will be in the next chapter.

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The flickering neon light hurt his eyes; his ears could hear movement on the other side of the room. There was chatter in the distance, and something close to his side was beeping to the rhytm of a heartbeat. The sharp scent of disinfectant permeated his nose. Everything around him seemed white.

It was only when he woke that he realized he must have been unconscious.

A blurry face came to view. Blinking his eyes a few times made it come to focus.

"I shot you," he said, his voice more pained that he had hoped.

The red-haired woman smirked. "You did, but I won't hold it against you right now. Maybe later."

He tried to laugh, but it turned into a sob. His body hurt too much for laughter.

"I'm Natasha, by the way. Nice to finally meet you. Sorry it had to be under these circumstances".

"Priyatno poznakomitsya."

Bucky thought he could even discern something of a smile on her lips when he heard her native tongue. She moved to hold a glass of water in front of his lips. He tried to drink, but most of it ended up running over his chin. She reached to support him, trying again, and this time he managed to take a few sips. The water felt good. His lips felt like he'd been stuck in a desert.

"Where's Steve?" he finally asked.

"They dragged him away kicking and screaming, pretty much. Doctors were angry because his wound started bleeding again. He only agreed to move when we told him you might not be ready to see him."

"Sounds like him," Bucky said, "and...thank you. I don't...I don't blame him, I swear, but..."

"You don't have to say it. It's okay."

Bucky looked at her with gratitude.

She took a deep breath before speaking again, and she rested her hand on his bedpost, as if for support.

"Look, there's no good way to do this. Since Rogers isn't here, I'm the unlucky girl who gets to tell you the bad news. Given circumstance we thought it might be better if it's me than a strange nurse, so..."

"Just spit it out."

"We don't know if we can salvage your limbs. Or reattach them, for that matter. We sent them to one of our specialists, but they've been...severed for quite long. The doctors tell me your...your stumps show onset of gangrene, so you'll need a surgical revision either way."

Bucky tried to stay strong, but Natasha's words made the reality of what had happened come crashing back in.He felt trapped in his own body. He wanted to scream, but he knew it would not help him. He tried to reach for something with his hands - both real and mechanical - and he could feel them moving, but there was nothing there.

"Oh joy," he said. "Anything else?"

"Yes. For the other matter...you're lucky in the sense you don't have intestinal tearing, but you might still need surgery...there. And antibiotics. But that's probably the least of your worries".

Bucky nodded. It was funny, in a way, to see this woman have trouble with words. He had seen her in battle twice now, and she was nothing short of deadly and efficient. Nothing in her demeanor had ever betrayed that she was warm or nurturing - yet here, at his beside, she was trying to be gentle with a man who had put a bullet through her. It was touching, even.

"Yeah, I think I can manage swallowing," he managed.

He swore he could see her go a little pale.

"I'm trying this whole humor-as-a-coping-strategy thing. Not sure it's working, though."

"Fake it 'till you make it?" she asked amicably, and he could see her soften. Had anyone told him, many years ago, that they'd be sharing friendly banter one day he'd have thought they got hit on the head.

"There's one more thing," she said, and he could see something in her face twitch involuntarily. "There will be someone with a rape kit coming in soon."

"I don't need a rape kit."

"Look, I understand you might not want to but..."

"I don't need a rape kit," he said again, louder, "because Captain Rogers was the only one inside me, and he was coerced. There is no evidence to be found."

He could see something glisten in those green eyes, but he figured they were both not the type to acknowledge it. He could feel the same happening in his own eyes, and really there was no need for a scene.

"Okay, I'll tell them that. I'll let you rest."

She was almost out of the room when he called out her name.

"I could...I could not make it out of surgery, you know."

She approached him again.

"We have tgreat doctors here. And you're stable. But if you're worried, and you want me to do some things just in case..."

Bucky blinked back tears. "That's not what I mean. I mean, I know you could make it look like an accident. Nobody would ever know."

She leaned in closer, making deliberate eye contact.

"That would destroy him."

"People die every day."

"Not people's best friends who just came back to life after 70 years."

"Please."

She put her hand to her forehead, closed her eyes, and when they reopened they seemed sterner and more determined.

"I'm sorry, Barnes. I get you. I really do. But that might be Steve's final straw and I can't let that happen to the Avengers."

He wanted to bury his face under the covers, feeling like he just got rejected by a girl he asked to a dance. Trying to hide his face, he realized there was no way he really could. Instead, he just turned away from her, and pressed his cheek into the pillow.

"I really am sorry, but we all have our part to play. And yours isn't over yet." she said.

With that, she was gone.

He was left listening to his own heartbeat on the monitor. It sounded stubborn and unrelentless, and showed no sign of wanting to stop.

:D!!!! OMG YAY SEQUEL

I *love* what you did with Natasha here, both her kindness, and her resolve and her priorities.

(I hope at least Bucky's metal arm can get reattached...)

DA: I really love the lack of woobie!Bucky here and that's one reason I'd be sad if the pool of HTP aftermath fic & discussion shrank, because I don't know where I would find other post-catws fic I like so much! There's so much recovery fic but a lot of it does not do it for me characterization wise, whereas the characterizations I love are highly concentrated here.

This isn't really a puppy play thing. But I guess if you wanted to throw puppy play in there it's whatevs.

I just have this idea of Hydra, maybe at some point trying out 'scenting' with their asset. Like giving the WS this package he's instructed to use on missions. There are injections in it and then some random piece of clothing that belongs to his target. His orders are to inject himself first and then smell the clothes.

The injections are basically sex pollen and something to increase his already super sense of smell.

Cue WS chasing his prey with a raging erection. Hydra's hoping he'll have the proper 'motivation' to hunt down his prey

I HAVEN'T EVEN READ THIS YET AND I'M SOOOO EXCITED

I have to say, I'm... Really quite unimpressed with how this has been handled, Trashmod. Not because I disagree with the message, but because I disagree with the execution. This is clearly a post that's caused a lot of worry and confusion I'm the community. It's not fair to us to make an announcement like this and then give us radio silence instead of sticking around to clear up the concerns people clearly have.

Yeah, I think a lot of the frustration and worry is just because this is so confusing and the mod hasn't been clear at all.

Is the problem with ALL post-CATWS prompts that don't have rape scenes, or just the ones where trash is barely a factor?

Does the 2:1 ratio mentioned refer to ratio of recovery to non-recovery prompts, or on-topic recovery to off-topic recovery?

Are we supposed to dial it back by making sure aftermath prompts are trashy enough, therefore cutting down on barely-on-topic stuff, or by posting fewer of those prompts no matter how on-topic they are?

Because I'm hoping trashmod meant that too many recovery prompts are barely on-topic and we need to be more careful about that, but their comments are vague enough it could also be interpreted to mean that all aftermath trash is now a problem for the meme and we need to limit even our trashiest, most relevant recovery ideas. There are obviously a lot of people on both sides of the argument who don't know for sure which way to read it. This uncertainty is fueling the wank.

Trashmod, we really need you to come back and clarify.

(sa) That ratio sentence was supposed to be the other way around: is the 2:1 ratio about off-topic recovery to on-topic recovery. I'm so good at sentence structure.

I would personally interpret what they said as being about being careful about borderline/tangentially trashy recovery fic, but it definitely wasn't a clear statement. And when an author anon writing fuckpotato!bucky recovery fic is concerned about whether their fic is trash-appropriate? We definitely have an issue.

::shrug:: I'm also someone who's really not into gaping assholes, but I used it to illustrate the difference in the *focus* of the story.

To use my two examples:

"Bucky has gaping asshole problems and doesn't tell Steve. Eventually Steve finds out and gives him hugs."
-- The focus of this prompt is "Bucky has physical problems that he's struggling with privately and doesn't want to tell Steve. Angst about being a burden, Angst about Hydra leaving its mark on Bucky, etc. Then hugs." In this case, I don't see it as truly mattering to the fic whether said physical problems comes from Hydra rape or just general Hydra evilness -- the focus is that Bucky doesn't want to tell Steve.

"Bucky's gaping asshole problems requires constant buttplug and Steve has to fuck him while wearing a cocksheath. Embarrassing for everyone involved."
-- The focus of this prompt is specifically about coping with the aftermath of rape -- how it affects Bucky's daily life, how it affects his sex life with Steve, how it affects his self-perception. Yes, there's a fair bit of Bucky Angst potential here, same as the previous one, but the sexual violence is front and center.

I do occasional fills and sometimes I want to show it to a non-trash audience, and so I'd go about sanitizing it -- removing mentions of rape and replacing it with mentions of violence. Replacing "being dehumanized through being treated as a sex toy" with "being dehumanized through being treated as a weapon". With some of my fills, it's ridiculously easy to sanitize. With others, the story loses all meaning if I sanitized it. The ones that are ridiculously easy to sanitize probably don't belong on this trashmeme. (Even though I like those more, and I'm frustrated that sexual violence and normal violence are so segregated in general.)

I'm one of the people who's been upset about this, and it's literally because I interpreted this proclamation is saying that because too many questionably topical recovery prompts have been posted lately, now all aftermath prompts are discouraged, and we have to curtail posting no matter how trash-relevant they are. I thought the nudge was about nudging the meme away from discussion and prompting of all aftermath material. If I'm wrong, and the mod actually meant to nudge recovery prompts back into higher trash relevance, then... I think that's totally fair, and... I support it 100%...

Umm, I'm pretty open to all pairings. Both Stucky feels and platonic friendships are good! (Although if anyone else is a Tony/Bucky fan, there aren't that many fics on here with that pairing if someone wanted to try it)

SA - I get what you're saying, and do agree - I just haven't found it as easy to separate in most fills, (though of course there have been some).

I share your frustration about separating sexual and non-sexual violence, so eh.

I absolutely agree, if the point is to nudge prompts back into the dumpster, I think that's totally fair. There's another anon in this thread who's put it well, I think -- if the prompt would be easy to sanitize for someone outside the dumpster because the focus is solely on the recovery and not the trash, then yeah, it's probably not super relevant for this meme. And I think generally, we're a fairly low-maintenance community -- we're pretty good at discouraging minimally-trashy prompts, most of the time, and I definitely agree with doing that. It's the vague accouncement with no clarification that I object to, because it's stressing out promoters and fillers of perfectly trashy fic.

Yeah, me too -- I'd like to have an environment of diverse prompts where people feel welcome to talk about self-amputation or lactation or self-lubricating assholes or whatever, and not feel like their prompt will get ignored unless it's about Bucky's recovering mental health.

On the other hand, it seems like the opposite is happening as the result of the trashmod post, which is that people who like Trash Recovery are feeling shut out. THAT IS SAD, since I think everyone here is ACTUALLY in general agreement re: the spirit of the mod's post, which is "make sure your recovery prompts are still trash-focused", but a number of us are struggling with the actual specifics of the mod's post -- between the mention of woobie, mental health, sexual violence, gray areas, and the 2:1 ratio, it's kind of confusing.

I wish we'd all just go with the spirit of "Trash Recovery, not generic recovery" and keep on enjoying the dumpster, but then again, I'm a "do first, beg for forgiveness later" type of person.

Agreed that the nuances are hard, and in many fills might be completely indistinguishable. Probably even harder to separate in the prompts themselves (just how much difference is there between "Bucky is sad because he has a gaping asshole" and "Bucky has a gaping asshole and is sad"? Really not much.)

But ... eh. If the trashmeme becomes more exclusively relishing in sexual violence, I'll probably visit only when I'm on a porn kick, and not just when I want good characterization of people coping with bad shit that happens to be sexual. *shrug*

See, I've been feeling shut out because that ISN'T how I took the spirit of the post. I took it as "even if your recovery prompt is trash-focused, please consider not posting it, because there's been too much of that lately and we need to bring the dumpster back to its true purpose, which has nothing to do with aftermath at all." And it's great to say you should just go with the spirit of trash recovery is on topic and run with it, but it's hard to get inspired to participate when you think the mod doesn't want that kind of thing here...

I think the sticking point is the line about "put[ting] the brakes on the flood of capital-r Recovery prompts." I've interpreted that to mean generic Recovery vs. Trash Recovery. As in: Trash Recovery is totally fine, Generic Recovery is discouraged. In terms of textual evidence, I'd refer to the trashmod's contrasting use of "mental heath porn" vs. "trash" and "optimum caretaking" vs. "sexual violence."

And I'm in favor of proceeding under such assumptions until told otherwise. Especially since it feels like everyone else feels roughly the same about Trash Recovery vs. Generic Recovery.

I'm happy to proceed under these assumptions, but as we're currently applying literary analysis to trashmod's post in an attempt to figure out what she meant, I think the problem isn't going to go away until the mod comes back and confirms.

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Dumpster #3: The Great Pacific Garbage Patch

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The sadistic honeypot mission.

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The Gravity Between Hearts 1/? (Sequel to Twixt the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea)

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Hydra treating the WS like a bloodhound

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