(New anon) I think for the purposes of CATWS, hydra's nazi legacy is about 50/50 with shield's shadowy government agency schtick in how it gets its bad guy creds, and there is a shift in the role for narrative purposes from the heavily implicit storebrand nazis that they were. In Steve's era the general paranoia was the opposing side of the war. In the Cold War era it was the communists And Cold War era spy games. In the modern age, it's your own government and its corruption and the lack of privacy. (According to the commentary CATWS was 6 weeks into shooting before Snowden and the NSA thing blew up so it looked "fairly prescient") and I think the continuation of Hydra as the enemy is a shorthand for the immense evil and danger the heroes are trying to overcome, but while they have their markedly nazi legacy and fit in most definitions of the word neonazi, I think their ideology and the archetype of their villainy has changed enough that I would be interested in debate about if they're for real legit nazis. That being said though, they do carry their nazi legacy no matter what kind of a role they've taken in the narrative, and I think people try to use the debate about their ideology to derail the moral issue of getting off on nazi torture porn. And I think it is important to acknowledge that due to all the things anon above mentioned, it is imperative to examine our response. "It's not really nazi porn" isn't really adequate in some cases because in CATFA they ARE nazis and in CATWS, they're technologically advanced governmental neonazis. The implications of nazisploitation in our porn is still there. It's insufficient a lot of the time to say hydra aren't really nazis because the conflict is generated often by the emotional response that comes ingrained with discussions of the Real Nazis, and it's that emotional response that the movies capitalise on to legitimise the villainy of Hydra. Tldr, the argument about whether hydra are nazis doesn't really have much to do with the debate about the morality of nazi porn. I'm owning up to my trash being neonazi trash. Please reexamine your k eye jerk respons of Not Really Nazis because I think there is a discussion to be had about ethics and owning our trash that could do without being derailed by the nazi/not nazi debate. Hydra relies on Nazis to have emotional impact, therefore when writing about and masturbating over hydra it's important to keep in mind their origins and legacy as Very Nazi Indeed.
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I think for the purposes of CATWS, hydra's nazi legacy is about 50/50 with shield's shadowy government agency schtick in how it gets its bad guy creds, and there is a shift in the role for narrative purposes from the heavily implicit storebrand nazis that they were. In Steve's era the general paranoia was the opposing side of the war. In the Cold War era it was the communists And Cold War era spy games. In the modern age, it's your own government and its corruption and the lack of privacy. (According to the commentary CATWS was 6 weeks into shooting before Snowden and the NSA thing blew up so it looked "fairly prescient") and I think the continuation of Hydra as the enemy is a shorthand for the immense evil and danger the heroes are trying to overcome, but while they have their markedly nazi legacy and fit in most definitions of the word neonazi, I think their ideology and the archetype of their villainy has changed enough that I would be interested in debate about if they're for real legit nazis.
That being said though, they do carry their nazi legacy no matter what kind of a role they've taken in the narrative, and I think people try to use the debate about their ideology to derail the moral issue of getting off on nazi torture porn. And I think it is important to acknowledge that due to all the things anon above mentioned, it is imperative to examine our response. "It's not really nazi porn" isn't really adequate in some cases because in CATFA they ARE nazis and in CATWS, they're technologically advanced governmental neonazis. The implications of nazisploitation in our porn is still there. It's insufficient a lot of the time to say hydra aren't really nazis because the conflict is generated often by the emotional response that comes ingrained with discussions of the Real Nazis, and it's that emotional response that the movies capitalise on to legitimise the villainy of Hydra.
Tldr, the argument about whether hydra are nazis doesn't really have much to do with the debate about the morality of nazi porn. I'm owning up to my trash being neonazi trash. Please reexamine your k eye jerk respons of Not Really Nazis because I think there is a discussion to be had about ethics and owning our trash that could do without being derailed by the nazi/not nazi debate. Hydra relies on Nazis to have emotional impact, therefore when writing about and masturbating over hydra it's important to keep in mind their origins and legacy as Very Nazi Indeed.