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Whereas your bullshit is just straight-up agg?

The OP's first post was a well-meaning but poorly-phrased idea, and it doesn't seem to me that riding to battle on your white charger with trumpets blaring has done much to increase understanding; before you start defending all our honor, it might in the future behoove you to check and make sure we think our honor needs defending.

Though I must admit, the random 'America-centric' thing at least gave a chuckle.

Hi there, NA-who-is-definitely-not-OP-sameanoning.

I'm not here to defend anyone's honour or increase understanding. I got a bit pissed off by OP's tone deaf lecture, and then I got even more pissed off by how shocked and indignant they were not to meet with universal gratitude and agreement for their post.

But I'm not the only person in this thread - the most vocally pissed off, perhaps, but not the only. So if you'd like to fight me too, the 'you're the only person who feels this way' tack is unlikely to work.

Don't believe I said you were the only person who felt anything. You're just the one who rode into the fight.

Me, I'd enjoy getting more comments on stuff, sure! But the odds of getting any result I like from going, "Hey, you all oughtta tell me-I-mean-AUTHORS more about how cool my fics are"? Not high.

Not, in fact, any better than the odds that shouting at the OP is going to cause anything but getting their back up...as it did. Well done. Give yourself a hand. You have successfully scorned the ham-handedness and leapt bravely down the throat of someone who (gasp) misread the room. That's exactly what this meme needs more of, right, excoriating each other? Because it's not like we've got plenty of outsiders happy to do it for us.

I can't do a slow clap for you in text, so you'll just have to imagine it.

And, you know, maybe consider cooling your damn jets and rolling your eyes next time. Ringing silence gets the "that was dumb" message across just as well.

Ringing silence gets the "that was dumb" message across just as well

I am laughing so hard at the unchecked irony of this.

You're learning.

Lol not really. Just laughing. At this point, I think there's nothing else left to do.

I assume I'm not the only one to notice that an anon with the exact pompous, pedantic written style turned up to white knight for OP at the exact moment OP declared they were flouncing from the thread.

:sigh:

I don't know who the OP was and frankly am amazed that you can't tell our styles apart--though being that bad with a close reading explains a bit about the damn-the-torpedoes quality of the whole thing--and, once again, think that the OP's post was ill-advised and certainly ill-phrased. You are of course free to think I'm a liar, but rest assured I've had no slightest wish to address you as "dear anon".

However, it's bedtime here. Lest I be accused of "flouncing", I would like to explicitly say that I will be back. Unless you get a goddamn clue and let your silence ring. That'd be awesome.

I've said for years that nothing productive ever comes of any conversation that starts "Hey, asshole!", and this one is certainly no exception.

Alright, I'll take your word that you're a new anon - in which case I'll ask you why you keep coming back to hurl around personal insults and aspersions about my reading comprehension under the guise of being 'above' this sort of petty internet squabble. Lead by example, etc. etc.

To be honest, at this point I'm still replying purely because I'm getting cranky and petty and don't want to end the conversation on your say-so. It's been a while since anything worthwhile happened in this thread, but I stand by my original position and will absolutely repeat the whole thing if any more patronising jackasses show up to the party. I don't share your enthusiasm for silence in the face of irritation.

I don't know why that bothers you so much, and I don't know why, if you're so invested in ending the discussion, you keep trying to have the last word. *I* want the last word too, but at least I'm being honest about it and not preaching on about the virtues of shutting up with no apparent sense of irony.

Alright, I'll take your word that you're a new anon - in which case I'll ask you why you keep coming back to hurl around personal insults and aspersions about my reading comprehension under the guise of being 'above' this sort of petty internet squabble.

Because I don't like bullies.

Someone said a stupid thing and you jumped on in, swinging wildly--I think my favorite was the charges of ableism for daring to like some writers more than others. (Also still waiting on WTF 'America-centric' is supposed to mean.) It was fucking textbook. And I am still trying to learn the lesson about wrestling with a pig, so here we are.

*I* want the last word too, but at least I'm being honest about it and not preaching on about the virtues of shutting up with no apparent sense of irony.

The time to shut up was when someone said a stupid thing and you decided to fall upon them like the wrath of an extremely petty god. Too late for that now, so I'm trying to give you an out: Don't reply and you win.

Besides, I can't stop now; you'll say I'm flouncing! It's so convenient, having that to claim victory with when your opponent gets tired.

I think my favorite was the charges of ableism for daring to like some writers more than others.

Where on earth did you get that from? No, seriously, how did you manage to get that from this?

If you don't like bullies, you might want to rethink the personal attacks you fling around.

/NA

2016-11-15 1:37 am: "I’ve clearly also dipped a little close to asshole territory with my comments on people requesting without filling.
A little? You said some of the most entitled, America-centric bullshit I heard in a long time. "Ableist"'s on top of the list, too."

This being in reply to OP's mention of "encouraging good writers for their efforts".

If you don't like bullies, you might want to rethink the personal attacks you fling around.

Look up the definition of 'bully', please. It doesn't mean what you think it means.

Nope. That was a response to this:

I’ve clearly also dipped a little close to asshole territory with my comments on people requesting without filling. I still have thoughts on that, but the sheer amount of huffy defensiveness so early in this thread makes me feel it’s probably not the right moment for nuanced discussion of how we can encourage an active filler culture without excluding people who for whatever reason aren’t confident writers. For the time being, non-filler nonnies, I’m sorry for being a dick and minimising your contributions.

Which is someone disagreeing with the OP. Not to the OP. No one has called the OP ableist, just condescending and patronising.

I think you need to look up the word hypocrite, or maybe just stop trolling.

Oh, yes, I'm sorry, I forgot that context doesn't matter. Silly of me.

Um, dude, the ableism comment *wasn't me*. That was some other anon having a yell at me (not OP) for my disparaging comments about requesters who don't also fill. This would be less funny if you hadn't been all snooty at me about my reading comprehension.

And it's nice to hear you're doing this because you don't like bullies. Given the enthusiasm and readiness with which you've been throwing around personal insults, for a second there I got a very different impression of your motives. My bad. Steve Rogers would be proud of you.

'Flounce' is not some cunning new insults I've made up - it's a common term for a very specific behaviour wherein someone who's been involved in online wank makes a melodramatic ~goodbye cruel world~ post about how they're leaving forever because you big pack of meanies wouldn't give me what I wanted and look, aren't you all sorry now? For examples of a flounce post, you can look through Google or just browse upthread a bit. Scout's honour, I have never once used the word to refer to someone quietly leaving a discussion they got tired of and I'm not about to start now.

Um, dude, the ableism comment *wasn't me*.

Oh? My apologies, then. That specific example of nastiness must be laid at some other door.

Given the enthusiasm and readiness with which you've been throwing around personal insults, for a second there I got a very different impression of your motives.

Look up the definition of "bully", please. It doesn't mean what you think it does.

'Flounce' is not some cunning new insults I've made up

Er, yes, I'm aware of that, having been on the net for longer than five minutes.

Remember: stop, and you win.

Bully (n): a person who says rude things on the internet and won't let the argument drop. Unless they are doing it for reasons of Great Justice, in which case they are justified in saying as many mean things as they like and everyone should be grateful to them.

I said "look up", not "make up". It's cute, though.

What I tell you three times is true: you stop, you win!

No, you.

Also check your dictionary again! My definition is a literal copy-paste from the online OED. If yours is saying different, maybe you should post your preferred definition here so that we can settle our dire linguistic conundrum honourably.

If you know what flounce means, why are you so scared you'll be accused of it?

And by the way - your 'wrestling with a pig' comment is more than a little dehumanizing. Yes, I know it's an Orwell quote and no that doesn't change the impact. Please don't refer to me as an animal again.

Oh please. More than one person got ticked off by the patronising approach.

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