hydratrashmeme | Chatter post

I admit, I don't go here. Trash triggers me, so I avoid it, you write it over here, and we all live happily ever after. I think collecting it all on one meme is great. From what I understand, one of the main tenets about the trashmeme is that it happens in it's own self-contained bubble. What happens on the trashmeme stays on the trashmeme. Those who like it can enjoy it in like-minded company, and those who are triggered by it don't have to worry about stumbling across it.

It then seems a bit contradictory to post trashfic to ao3.
Ao3's filtering system is terrible. It takes a fuckload of hacking to even try to make it usuable, and things still slip through. It's not at all a safe experience for those who don't want to see trash. Trying to find fic about my favorite character shouldn't be like playing Russian roulette.

I'm not saying 'don't write trash'. I'm just asking you to be considerate and keep it confined to designated spaces like this one. It's much easier for you to collect it all in a wastebin than it is for me to swerve all over the bike path trying not to puncture my tires on an old beer bottle.

D:..... I rather like to picking garbage and collect them on AO3...And I do think most trash post there did label/tag as much they could, so it should be easy to filter out?

*Really, sometime it is very difficult to track and read in the journal system, even I do track and received in the mail, so AO3 collection is still need there*

I'm sorry, but... no. That's not the way it works. AO3 is for all comers. And the trash party is not and never has been limited to this meme. It started on Tumblr; a lot of it still happens on Tumblr. And a Dreamwidth kinkmeme is not a substitute for a proper archive. The convention has never been "what happens on the trashmeme stays on the trashmeme"; it's "make sure your triggery shit is clearly tagged and labeled," just like it is in the entire rest of fandom. If trashfic triggers you? Don't click. If just seeing the headers triggers you? That sucks, but no, it is in no way our responsibility to sanitize your AO3 browsing experience for you by depriving ourselves of a proper fic archive and exiling ourselves from the common archive space--a space that always has contained and always will contain plenty of fucked-up fic that doesn't fall under the trash party umbrella. If just seeing the headers triggers you, you will get a lot more mileage out of downloading AO3 Savior or sticking -"Rape/Non-Con" in the "search within results" box than from telling one subgroup of the authors writing fucked-up fic to censor themselves and stick to the leper colony.

Seriously, AO3 Savior. If you don't wanna see the headers for certain fic, it is your best friend.

Anon from the comment below this giving this one a thumbs up.

I'm going to be as polite as I can with my reply: no. There are many reasons why a writer here would also post on AO3. Some want all of their fics stored in one place for organization's sake, to keep track of all their fics and use it as their archive (they can also edit out typos easier on AO3 than here). Sometimes it's easier to post a long chapter on AO3 than have to break it up into smaller comments here. Some readers may use AO3 as their primary place to find fanfiction. And so on.

It's beginning to irk me just how much those against HYDRA trash are trying to stuff us into the tightest and tiniest corner imaginable. If you were in another fandom years back, trash fics were freely cross-posted to main communities as well as their own communities and seldom did anyone complain. You just ignore what you didn't want to read, period. Everything was properly labeled, so you just read the header and decided if that's something you wanted to read.

It actually doesn't require a "fuckload of hacking" to filter things out on AO3. Go to the Bucky Barnes tag for example. In the search bar titled "search within results" you can put "-hydra -trash -party" and look at how many fics are filtered out. Or if you want to block out pairings that are most often featured on the trash meme such as Rumlow/Bucky or Pierce/Bucky, putting in "-barnes/brock" or "-barnes/alexander" should take care of it. You can even filter out other keywords such as "-rape" or an author's name. I always look for a part of the tag that doesn't include spaces to put in, and viola, I seldom come across a certain trope or pairing I didn't want.

I think this community has been as considerate as possible. We have tags on tumblr you can blacklist and tag the ships that one can easily filter out on AO3. Sorry but this comment, as I see it, is practically asking us to stifle ourselves out of existence in the fandom.

So no. We are not the first nor the last fandom to write dark fics, and we are not going to keep censoring ourselves when blacklisting and filtering can easily take care of the situation. You're going to find a lot of things in fanfiction that you don't want to read. Heck, I certainly do. But that's why I use filters.

Anon from the comment above returning the thumbs up, and adding that you can filter on phrases with spaces if you enclose them in quotes. Stick -"HYDRA Trash Party" in the "search within results" box and Bob's yer uncle. It even seems to be filtering out fics tagged with variant wordings, like "HYDRA Party Favor Trash Party," that are synned to the main HTP tag.

Agree with all of this absolutely, and I'm sorta feeling that anon isn't trying to make things safe for people so much as trying to foist us off into one place they can conveniently ignore. I have multiple times been triggered into dissociating/having panic attacks (and on a lesser scale, just being squicked) by things on ao3 that weren't tagged, but not one of the trash party fics I've read on ao3 have been untagged.

and I'm sorta feeling that anon isn't trying to make things safe for people so much as trying to foist us off into one place they can conveniently ignore

As I said below, I definitely think that's a part of it. And even that wouldn't be enough for some people.

...Are you new to the internet/fandom/fanfic archives/AO3?

"It's terrible! People are writing rude fic about Harry Potter!"

"People are tagging their fics and writing summaries that reflect what's happening in the story and I have to scroll past that!"

Most fandoms have their sick and twisted corner, and they're all posting stuff on Ao3. Why are we the only ones who shouldn't?

And I disagree strongly about Ao3 being a terrible system. It's far better than say, Tumblr. On Tumblr, links disappear if the person you're linking to changes their URL (which people do with seriously annoying frequency), and you can't just read someone's fic, you end up embroiled in their personal life. Tumblr can't be locked down to prevent unregistered users from looking at your fic (well, it can, but you have to decide that when you start your blog and you can't friendslock individual entries). It's also a huge pain to read long entries on Tumblr, and you can't use HTML for things like italics. DW's got some features Tumblr doesn't which is nice but the potential audience for your fic is so much smaller. Like a lot smaller. Like a lot, a lot smaller. People are much worse at tagging on both those sites than they are on Ao3.

Those just aren't good places for a permanent archive of any kink. Ao3 is the best setup fandom's ever had. It works if people use it correctly. Not everyone knows how to do this, so of course reading fic can still be like playing Russian Roulette but that's the risk you take.

What you want, if I understand this, is to not ever have to even see the summaries. For it to be as if those fics simply don't exist. Because even knowing that they do is "triggering".

So what you're saying is, other people should damage their fan fic writing "careers" by deliberately not posting on the most popular and user friendly site, because they write stuff that makes you uncomfortable.

Sometimes, people who write in controversial fic genres already feel pushed out and pressured not to post said fics. They can' ask for it anonymously, they can't post it in their personal spaces, now you don't even want them to use public archives.

You don't want this happening at all, that's the truth. Don't pretend you're okay with it if it stays in its own space. Because that space will just get smaller and smaller and *smaller*.

AO3 wouldn't have a non-con tag if the site didn't allow users to post non-con.

Also, AO3 is our designated space. Communities like DW aren't good spaces to store fics. Read up on the LiveJournal Strike-Through (http://fanlore.org/wiki/Strikethrough) for an example of why AO3 is the only proper place to store fanfiction, all fanfiction.

this is the most paggro thing i've read in days lmao. "you guys are SO nice and it just seems like this must be an oversight on your part, gosh, you're normally so considerate really, and i'm hardly asking for anything here, i just want something on the internet that was never designed to be a safe space to be a safe space for me personally, and if you all could just pitch in and do your part-- :') thx"

i'm surprised there isn't an 'uwu' tbh

I think you mean (◡ ‿ ◡ ✿)

Fuck off, you whiny, entitled little pissbaby.

Please keep extreme rudeness at bay, people. I understand you are troubled, but this is too much.

Hey, namecalling isn't necessary. That just makes us look immature.

Yeah....like I know people are getting sick of this stuff and the backlash on this post I'm assuming is partly due to whatever is happening on tumblr rn, but stuff like that is really not helping.

I saw an anon call someone (who is admittedly, not a very nice person) the r-word on tumblr & no doubt the likelihood of them realising they were being shitty now has fallen from unlikely to flat out impossible.

lol no

Brock, I don't think this post was addressed to you.

~~I love you, nonnie.~~

Anon, I've never tried a Tumblr-Savior style service personally, but they're out there for AO3 (http://quietgames.tumblr.com/post/75235075885/how-to-ao3-savior-an-updated-tutorial ) (like I said, I have never used one, so not advocating for this one personally but, you know, it's what I found on Google.) How's about you black list the trash party and any other tags you don't want to see? Much more likely to get the results you wanted than trying to wrangle a bunch of anonymous strangers.

I mean, unless the telling us to stay in the corner where we belong like a dirty secret was the point, but I think we're mostly resistant to shaming here. ;)

No. AO3 is for all kinds of fic. That includes the kinds that bother you. Don't like, don't read. I can understand that it's upsetting to stumble across disturbing things by accident, but trash party people are pretty good about tagging and labelling things so people who don't want to see them can filter them out.

Granted, some things do slip through, but if occasionally seeing the mere summary/tag list for things that bother you is enough to seriously affect your mental health, I think it might be better for you if you stayed away from AO3. That's what a reasonable, responsible adult would do. That's why I don't go on tumblr very often; it annoys me too much.

I get the impression that you're either very young and/or new to fandom, or you're being deliberately disingenuous and manipulative. Fandom isn't, and never has been, a safe space for anything but fandom, especially on the Internet. Darkfic has always existed, even back in the zine days. Ordinary kink memes used to skew considerably darker and more disturbing than most of what I've seen in the Trash Party.

I think it's important to respect the consent of readers through labelling and summaries so that people have an idea of what they're going to be getting into when they click on a link. I also remember when fans prided themselves on being adventurous and willing to deal when they encountered things they didn't like.

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