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[trashmod]

For all your discussion needs.

Ground rules:
- Try to keep it loosely trash party related, or at least Cap fandom related.
- Disagreement is fine, nastiness is not.
- Being offended is not carte blanche for nastiness.
- Trashmeme ground rules apply. Read at your own risk, no romanticizing your noncon garbage, no wank about the moral acceptability of noncon kink.
- Body shots, sniper shots, and tetanus shots are all available at the open bar. Party like it's 2014, kids.

Comments

Re: Popularity of an Idea =/= On Topic-ness of the Idea

[(Anonymous)]

AYART

The newcomers know how much is too much by the prompt freezes. Freezing so much in a row with stricter standards than usual may have been a harsh move, but trashmod followed it up with an explanation. "A little" is up to the mod's discretion, so you prompt nonsexual violence at your own risk, especially if there's already some nonsexual prompts recently preceding yours. I suspect with the creation of the new meme, that leaves room for stricter policing of this meme as well. Though of course I can only speak to my own opinions.

Mainly in my first post I was taking issue with the idea that older nonsexual violence posts should make nonsexual violence okay now simply because those were some of the most popular fills. If a newcomer has trouble interpreting what is meant by "dirtybadwrong" then they get a frozen prompt or two, figure it out, and either leave for the new meme or stick around for the sexy noncon once they get a clearer idea of what the meme is mainly for. If a lot of people leave who weren't the target audience of the meme in the first place, that doesn't really hurt the target audience, and in fact might be more beneficial than if they all stuck around continuing to pull the original meme off course. It's not being mean, it's just saying, "This sandbox was built for a very specific purpose we couldn't find easily elsewhere, so while you should be happy to write whatever you want to write about, that particular thing doesn't quite fit here and is starting to overwhelm the things that are supposed to be here."

Re: Popularity of an Idea =/= On Topic-ness of the Idea

[(Anonymous)]

I used newcomers as an example, but I'm not a newcomer and I was confused about it as well. A while ago there was a string of prompts that were clearly off topic: and they all got frozen. That is understandable. But I honestly wasn't aware there was a limit of too many not noncon prompts if they follow the dumpster requirements in other areas.

Re: Popularity of an Idea =/= On Topic-ness of the Idea

[(Anonymous)]

For me it was "not the general preference but okay" and not "somewhat of a problem that is tolerated"

Re: Popularity of an Idea =/= On Topic-ness of the Idea

[(Anonymous)]

Yep, that's just how I saw it.

Re: Popularity of an Idea =/= On Topic-ness of the Idea

[(Anonymous)]

My view of it was that it wasn't the mod's preference, but was okay so long as it didn't become the general preference and thus overwhelm the original point of the meme. The mod has always shown a willingness to link to other kink memes if it turns out this one doesn't have quite what you want. When the dehumanizing garbage but nonsexual whump wasn't reaching a level of needing it's own kink meme, then it was fine here. With the recent slew of such prompts, a new kink meme made a lot more sense than allowing it all to stay here, because it's become popular enough to shift the general preference, which isn't the point of this meme.

Re: Popularity of an Idea =/= On Topic-ness of the Idea

[(Anonymous)]

Y'all need to stop acting brand new like a bunch new people with really bad reading skills suddenly discovered this meme and decided that since they read the title as Hydra TEA party it now should accept TEA party fic. No. A lot of people who have been around since the start (myself included) posted prompts that were reasonably within the requirements (Hydra, CATWS, dirty trashy nasty stuff). No one wanted to change the meme to something that it's not (softcore) but rather demanded clearer rules on things that do have a basis for being here (non sexy hardcore)

Re: Popularity of an Idea =/= On Topic-ness of the Idea

[(Anonymous)]

DA

How do you know that the prompts were posted by a bunch of different people who had been here forever? LOL. I find it REALLY interesting that more than a dozen new prompts all in the very specific non-sexual body horror vein were all posted within the space of a day when for months there's maybe been one or two new prompts a day, if any at all. It was like a tsunami wave after the barest trickle. So yeah, it feels a lot more likely that a few newbies inundated the thread with the HTP-adjacent prompts rather than a bunch of old hat HTPers all got to jonesing for some straight-up body horror at exactly the same time. Just saying.

Regardless, it's clearly about the sudden volume of prompts with this theme and I'm not sure why that's so hard to understand.

Re: Popularity of an Idea =/= On Topic-ness of the Idea

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not gonna get started on the whole conspiracy theory of one person being responsible for all that but. What is hard to understand is
1. People complaining about an increase in activity with prompts that might not necessarily be exactly what they're looking for, but technically don't break any rules. All the frozen prompts were HYDRA/CATWS related, non-AU, no evilgoodguys, no fluff, and they requested a high level of distressing graphic content. So while they might not be a crowd favourite, they didn't break any of the rules outlined in 'what's not on topic'. So why not let them be and move on? No one's forcing anyone to fill or read anything they don't like.
2. Select few people framing this as some sort of 'new vs. old' discussion. Not only does this approach make the entire community feel self-absorbed at best and extremely unfriendly and unlikeable at worst, but it's also hard to take seriously as this is an internet kink meme. Yes, there is a tremendous amount of skill and creativity in the content created here, but still, it's superhero fanfiction. Getting old high and mighty about the 'good old days' like you're a rich old man in a three piece suit smoking a cigar and complaining about young whippersnappers being out of line, or a feudal lord mildly inconvenienced by revolting peasants is just. Not only conceited and unfriendly but also kind of laughable. And I really don't get why people on here would want to create this kind of impression.

Re: Popularity of an Idea =/= On Topic-ness of the Idea

[(Anonymous)]

not really gonna touch on #1 because i feel like by now trashmod has explained their reasoning pretty thoroughly, but to your point #2: come on. it wasn't about framing the old guard as "better than" people who might be newer to the meme. it was more making a point about the spirit of the meme and how that hasn't changed since it started. i think some of the more egregious comments were because people got worked up over the negging about HTP dying off if it doesn't cater to this specific thing some people want, and i kinda understand getting defensive in light of that if you've been here for a while and always dug the trash meme for exactly what it was. *shrug* no one is saying one kink is better than the other kink, or that one side is better than the other because their tastes are better, just that most of the content here has always had a sexual component rather than straight up distressing body horror/torture.